To the admin, I am sorry if there is already a posting on this topic of TaPhSiC vows but I couldn't find the kind that I was looking for, namely:

I am going to write out the shevua, specifically, a Double-Fence Taphsic shevua, word for word that I plan on making.
Don't worry about feedback on the actual knas that I created, I am going to be working with it until I find the right one for me, I am just looking for feedback on the actual wording of everything.
So here it is, word for word as I plan to read it right off the page, exactly as it appears, verbatim, once I get some feedback.





End of shevua.

I also have a second question:

I am nervous about making shevua's and the only experience that I have thus far with shevua's are the gemaras that deal with them in Bava Kama, and Bava Metzia, among others, and when we learned them, they have always come with a disclaimer from the maggid shiur along the lines of, "NEVER EVER EVER actually make any shevua's of any kind, we just don't make them anymore, all we are doing is learning about them but don't don't ever make one. I once even heard of a story from 50 years ago that there was a gabbi that borrowed money from a rich Baal Habayis, for some community purpose, and it was a lot of money, and the gabbi paid it back soon after, but the Baal Habayis forgot to mark that it was paid back, so he later came to came to collect the money and the gabbai said that he had paid it back already, so what are you talking about, so they went to beis din, who had to make a psak that since the gabbi was modeh b'miktzas, he would have to make a shevua D'oraysa that he paid it back already, if the Baal Habayis insisted onit. The baal habayis said that he will press for a shevua, so the gabbai said that he would rather pay back the money (again!) rather than make a shevua, even though he was so very sure that he paid it all back. So he paid back all the money out of his own pocket (and the amount was likely more than he would earn in 10 years of work)

The story ended with the Baal Habayis finding record of the repayment, and so he was so impressed at the honesty, and yiras shamayim of the gabbai, that he donated a huge amount to the gabbai's community.

My question then is that how can I even attempt making a shevua after that story? I mean was the gabbai crazy? Why wouldn't he make a shevua if he was so sure?

That sounds like a real Double Fence TaPhSiC shevuah, and you sound like a lawyer, except 20 chapters of tehillim is not much of  a deterrent. You need something that would really hurt like walking up 60 flights of stairs. For me it is an 10 hour trip to Meron or a 2 hour trip to Kever Rochel.


Hatzlocho

I know I did write it lawyer-ish, didn't I? But rather that, than making a shevua that you can't keep, because you didn't specify something that you should have. Also I can already see how important it is to have ALL shevua's written down in full, BEFORE they are spoken to prevent any mishaps, because if you invent a shevua, then you are the only one who will know exactly what you said.

Also, good point about the knas, it is rather small now that I consider it, maybe I should make it 60 tehillim.
I actually wanted to make the shevua apply to any time in the week that I would act out, but I have this half asleep problem that some of you may have heard about on the other thread and so I am scared that I would act out and not remember it and then break the shevua C"V, so does anyone have any advice on how to word it to include acting out at all times but still exclude the half asleep stuff.

Hi Nebula,

wow that's some piece of "B'Rochel Bitcha Haktano" there!  ;D  I think the principle of "B'ndorim Holchin Achar Loshon Bnei Odom" applies here, words like "read" and "say tehillim" don't need to be defined in the shvua to that extent, they just mean what they always mean.

As far as the night-time thing, you can just add "intentionally and fully awake" to the conditions, or exclude "from when I go to sleep for the night until I get out of bed for the morning". Or whatever other lawyerese works .

And for your second question, there's a difference beween making a shvua to save yourself some money, and making one to help you do a mitzva. נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי וָאֲקַיֵּמָה לִשְׁמֹר מִשְׁפְּטֵי צִדְקֶךָ. The Gemora learns from this posuk that it's OK, and even a mitzva, to make such a shvua.

Hatzlacha and KOMT!!!!!

Gevura!