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27 Feb 2017 12:06

Shteeble

Giving away a combination of age, job description, job schedule, distance from home to job, are all hints to one's identity. Give enough hints, and someone is likely to figure it out.
Just saying.
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 10:15

Singularity

Welcome!

You're never a hopeless case!

You say when there isn't any access to it around in immediate reach, you're OK. I gleaned that from your report of a clean streak since the first internet filter. So are you addicted? If you can hold off it if there's no access, see there's something to it!
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 10:13

Singularity

Sorry to hear.

What you currently doing? Ie working, university, yeshiva? Do you feel fulfilled? Any goals worth setting?
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 09:38

Singularity

cordnoy wrote on 26 Feb 2017 22:46:

cordnoy wrote on 18 Dec 2014 09:44:
Which of these bothers you the most?
Do any of those make your life unmanageable?
Can you live with any of them?
Are you addicted to any?

The Poll question, however, is simply: Which of these are you the 'most' worried about?

[It's also possible that the answer can change in time, based upon many factors.]

Thanks

oish; I'm in the minority.

truth is, in true recovery, the answer becomes: none of the above.
[edit: I wrote the above line now w/o seein' the post above this one.]

May God help us all with that.

Keep it a poll. Don't make it all cosmic and turn it into art

Trigger happy at work because it's most accessible.

Reminds me, I gotta update my TAPHSIC for 90 and onwards, PG...
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 07:31

Singularity

shmulke18 wrote on 24 Feb 2017 22:13:
I did that, you did not get back to me, need someone to reach out to me feeling down,

Sorry brah. Hashem created the world thus that when you're all stressed and panicked at 7PM at night, I'm already asleep 6 hours later (in a galaxy) far, far away from you. Had I also been stressed and panicked? Did I act out? Only time will tell...

Reach out to us; don't expect us to reach out to you.

But you have my whatsapp now. So perchance the beep might wake me up. Give it a go. I'm propably awake with the kids anyway.
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 07:19

Singularity

Watson wrote on 26 Feb 2017 09:06:
From my perspective, my life has improved dramatically in every way since starting recovery. Recovery for me has to start with the attitude of never acting out again. I have slipped up since getting into recovery and, as you say, got up and tried again, but my goal is be sober permanently. This has benefited my relationship with my wife, with my family, Hashem, my learning, my work, my mood and other things. For me, settling for less than permanent sobriety is like settling for half a life. It's like a drowning man who manages to get to the surface, takes a breath and says, that's so much better I don't even feel the need to swim for shore. That's crazy talk, no?

I say my goal is to be sober permanently but my mindset has to be one day at a time. ODAAT is not a gimmick or a trick. Some people think it means that if you can hang on for 24 hours you can keep hanging on every 24 hours. As Dov says, that's like saying if I can hold my breath for a minute, I can hold it for an hour, one minute at a time. No, eventually I'll need to take a breath, just like eventually I'll need to masturbate.

ODAAT means I'm focussed on living well today, staying calm, connected to Hashem and my fellow addicts. Not because ODAAT will keep me sober, but because today is the only day that's important. It's the only day my actions can affect. So it takes priority over tomorrow or 90 days. But the fundamental changes that recovery is focussed on helps me in every aspect on my life.

Let me ask you, why are you not shooting for permanent sobriety? Is it because deep down you don't think it's possible? You don't think it's necessary? You just plain don't want it? What is it?

I mean, I hear the argument of not trying to be a perfectionist, but permanent sobriety is not perfection. Believe me, it's possible to mess up a lot of things and still be sober. I see staying sober as pretty fundamental. You wouldn't say you're OK to eat pork every 90 days, or be mechalel Shabbos once in a while. That's not being a perfectionist, it's a matter of priorities. And, I don't know about you, but I keep one Shabbos at a time.

Hope that wasn't too rambling, or chas vesholom harsh, it certainly wasn't meant to be. Have a wonderful day my friend.

Cordnoy's post before this was very sa'tum, Watson flew in as the nosei keilim.

Just how I see it.

I shall PM you, BB superman
27 Feb 2017 03:50

stillgoing

Shteeble wrote on 27 Feb 2017 03:15:
Your job description that you gave may threaten your anonymity, since it doesn't sound like a very common occupation. You may want to edit out the description, and just leave a description of the problem.


Where do you think all of our kosher food comes from? There are mashgichim like that all over the country('s)
:pinch: Warning: Spoiler!
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 03:15

Shteeble

Your job description that you gave may threaten your anonymity, since it doesn't sound like a very common occupation. You may want to edit out the description, and just leave a description of the problem.
Category: Introduce Yourself
27 Feb 2017 02:57

shmulke18

feeling down on myself tonight, need people to reach out to me thanks, feeling stressed out with lots of things, 
Category: Introduce Yourself
26 Feb 2017 22:46

cordnoy

cordnoy wrote on 18 Dec 2014 09:44:
Which of these bothers you the most?
Do any of those make your life unmanageable?
Can you live with any of them?
Are you addicted to any?

The Poll question, however, is simply: Which of these are you the 'most' worried about?

[It's also possible that the answer can change in time, based upon many factors.]

Thanks

oish; I'm in the minority.

truth is, in true recovery, the answer becomes: none of the above.
[edit: I wrote the above line now w/o seein' the post above this one.]

May God help us all with that.
Category: Introduce Yourself
26 Feb 2017 20:26

pitka

I am 50 years old, married, and in recovery for four years. I had been addicted to porn since my early teens, but didn't realize that I had a problem with it until my late 20's. By my late 30's I realized that I had a serious problem, but it wasn't until my mid 40's that I was able to identify it as a true addiction. I am always searching to understand myself better, and as my problems grew more severe my exploration grew more intense.  Through therapy and with the help of a recovery program (curethecraving.com),  I was able to find true recovery and have experienced real freedom for 3 years.

But the reality of recovery is that there are slips. These are not proud moments, and each time they occur there is something to be learned. I think that the goal should be to make those slips fewer and fewer, to understand that recovery is a process.  Each time that we slip we need to learn why, and really try to understand what led us to the incident. We've got to get back on our feet, have compassion on ourselves, and do the hard work to address the core issues.

The core issues are not "how can my internet filter be better", although these front-line defenses are absolutely critical. The struggle to recover happens long before we hit the "front lines" of the battle, when we are in the grip of a compulsive urge. The real struggle needs to occur off of the battlefield. When slips happen, we have to look at what we are doing off the field. What's going on in our heads, why did we get triggered, and what was not in place in our plan of action that could have save us from the fall.  

I am here now because my last slip was one of two that happened relatively close to each other, and it was brought about by something that disturbingly put me back into mentally reliving a molestation that occurred in my teens. I thought that I had dealt with this, but I see now that it is still haunting me. By tremendous hashgacha, I discovered this group quite by accident. We daven, and if we really want the help and to grow, then Hashem provides the healing.

I will get to my story shortly, but I would characterize my current recovery as one in which lust, porn, and cravings to see acts and images have been replaced by feelings of gratitude for my wife, my kids, having back my life. It's amazing. But I can still get into a danger zone when certain things trigger memories of early trauma. That's when I am vulnerable, and that's when I really need to reach out.  

So here's my story:

As a young teen I was often subject to a great amount of verbal abuse and bullying from my peers. My parents, who have long-since divorced, were embroiled in much fighting. My Dad was pretty emotionally abusive to my Mom. My Mom tended to confide in me too much about her feelings toward my Dad. My brother had been sent to a boarding school during my most formative years, so I had to take the brunt of this alone. As a way to cope from the pain both at home and in school, I withdrew to the fantasy world of pornography.

I was a highly intelligent young man, and used sports, good grades, and my musical interests to boost up my self-esteem.  But inside, I was a mountain of pain during those years.

I left for college when I was 17. In my first week of college I had a emotionally painful experience for which I wanted to seek help from someone safe, other than my parents who were really not available. I naively chose to confide in the wife of a graduate student, who was about 9 or 10 years older than me. I thought that she would be safe, since she was married to a graduate student that I trusted. I shared with her what had happened, and that left me very vulnerable.  She then used that to coerce me into a situation and basically molested me [some triggering details removed by admin]. It was a horrible first sexual experience, and it formed the template for much of my relationship with porn and feelings about sex. I was too ashamed to tell anyone, and thought that it was all my fault and I felt horribly guilty.

During these tumultuous times, I continued to explore Judaism. I began keeping kosher. I learned about Shabbos. I became involved with Chabad. But I was always trying to get "good" with God for the terrible adulterous "sin" that I had committed.

During my senior year,  I met a wonderful Jewish girl that I really fell in love with. She was kind and loving. We became very close, closer than I had ever experienced with anyone. She also became pregnant, and chose an abortion. That was awful, and I felt terribly guilty. My parents were in the process of an ugly divorce, and had the gnawing feeling that if she really knew me then she might reject me. So after dating her for close to a year, I broke it off. It was very hard.

She tried to reconcile with me, and told me not to be afraid. She told me that I was not making sense, and I know that she was right. I agreed to start seeing her again, but not to stay overnight.

One night in early September, she called me and begged me to come over. She said that she wasn't feeling well. She told me that she thought she was going to have an epileptic siezure, something that she hadn't had for 10 years. I knew that she was just trying to manipulate me, to get me to come over late at night to sleep with her. I had been there before. I stood my ground and refused.

That was the night that she died of an epileptic seizure.

I was so ridden with guilt, that I can't begin to describe myself at that point. It wasn't until a year later, a hospitalization later, a suicide attempt later, that I finally came out of the darkness. It took me over two decades to fully recall the events of that night.

It was at this point that I made a decision. I saw that I could choose to believe that life is meaningless and empty, or that life is filled with things that I don't understand but it's still worth living. Fortunately, I put my energies into the latter. I asked God for help, to understand, to figure out why I am here.

There was still one more hardship that I had to endure in those early twenties - another dominant woman, a broken engagement - but my life began to turn.

At 24, I became aware of and enlightened by authentic Torah Judaism. I finished graduate school and took on my first "real job". It was in this setting that I began to meet many frum people. I saw how beautiful and functional their homes/marriages were. I saw the values and middos absorbed by their children. I became inspired. I discovered that I didn't want to stop keeping Shabbos before I even realized that I already was keeping Shabbos.

I began to learn how the Torah could guide my life. About a year into this teshuva process, I met my wife. We have, B"H, a beautiful marriage. We got married and went to E"Y, where I learned in yeshiva while she studied in a seminary. We dumped the TV. We learned to change diapers. We began to build a beautiful bayis together.

I thought my desires for porn would be gone for good, but soon after our first child was born I discovered that my dark side was a still a very potent force. For the next twenty years, I lived a double life. I couldn't wait for opportunities to watch porn. The material became more and more edgy, and I could never be free. I began to hate myself, to loathe myself, and found myself in a cycle in which the indulgence led to unrelenting shame, which then required only more indulgence to find escape.

I was too ashamed to talk to anyone. I cried to Hashem so much to help me. I was sure that he hated me and that I was being punished for "committing adultery" with my friend's wife, "killing" my girl friend, and aborting fetuses. Porn became a way to punish myself, because I deserved it. And all this was going on right underneath my family's radar. I was trapped and alone. I felt like a forgery.

About six or seven years ago, I began to sort out these traumas and feelings with a therapist, as well as with my Rav. I did not reveal my porn issues, but I dealt with much of the underlying traumas that brought me there.

Four years ago, my life changed forever when I discovered the anonymous  9 month program for solving porn addiction found a curethecraving.com. The program involves bi-weekly calls and exercises. I took the program very seriously and got on the road to recovery. My entire view of myself changed. My relationship with God, family, friends, and co-workers improved immensely. I found new emotional "space" and energy. I began to appreciate my family and my life in a way that I had only dreamed possible. 

Obviously, I am here now because of a relapse. Something came up that triggered the experience of being back in that woman's apartment at 17. It has happened a couple times, and it scares me. I want to stay healthy and sober, and I want to use this "slip" as a God-given opportunity for further growth. Maybe I'll be able to help others in the process.

A few things that are on my mind as I write this - 

Reach out - we are not alone! It's the only way to break the cycle of shame.
Talk to a Rav, if possible. Tremendous healing occurred in my life because I took that step.
The brain on porn is, physiologically, a brain on serious drugs.
We make up stories about ourselves, especially when young, that are not necessarily true.
Our journey is a tremendous opportunity for growth, as painful as it is.
This is God's plan for us, it's not an accident... so let's embrace it. 
Address the underlying issues
Working a plan to stay out the ring is much more important that what you do once you're in the ring.

Good luck everyone! Feel free to reach out to me, and I will surely do the same!
     


Category: Introduce Yourself
26 Feb 2017 19:16

cordnoy

Watson wrote on 26 Feb 2017 09:06:
From my perspective, my life has improved dramatically in every way since starting recovery. Recovery for me has to start with the attitude of never acting out again. I have slipped up since getting into recovery and, as you say, got up and tried again, but my goal is be sober permanently. This has benefited my relationship with my wife, with my family, Hashem, my learning, my work, my mood and other things. For me, settling for less than permanent sobriety is like settling for half a life. It's like a drowning man who manages to get to the surface, takes a breath and says, that's so much better I don't even feel the need to swim for shore. That's crazy talk, no?

I say my goal is to be sober permanently but my mindset has to be one day at a time. ODAAT is not a gimmick or a trick. Some people think it means that if you can hang on for 24 hours you can keep hanging on every 24 hours. As Dov says, that's like saying if I can hold my breath for a minute, I can hold it for an hour, one minute at a time. No, eventually I'll need to take a breath, just like eventually I'll need to masturbate.

ODAAT means I'm focussed on living well today, staying calm, connected to Hashem and my fellow addicts. Not because ODAAT will keep me sober, but because today is the only day that's important. It's the only day my actions can affect. So it takes priority over tomorrow or 90 days. But the fundamental changes that recovery is focussed on helps me in every aspect on my life.

Let me ask you, why are you not shooting for permanent sobriety? Is it because deep down you don't think it's possible? You don't think it's necessary? You just plain don't want it? What is it?

I mean, I hear the argument of not trying to be a perfectionist, but permanent sobriety is not perfection. Believe me, it's possible to mess up a lot of things and still be sober. I see staying sober as pretty fundamental. You wouldn't say you're OK to eat pork every 90 days, or be mechalel Shabbos once in a while. That's not being a perfectionist, it's a matter of priorities. And, I don't know about you, but I keep one Shabbos at a time.

Hope that wasn't too rambling, or chas vesholom harsh, it certainly wasn't meant to be. Have a wonderful day my friend.

I love this post!

​Just wanted to say one thing where I think differently (not sayin' better or worse, just different): my goal and my mindset is to be sober today. I don't have that permanent goal. Regardin' the swimmin' mashal, I won't quibble about analogies.
26 Feb 2017 11:00

GrowStrong

Try sprinting to nowhere until you cant breathe anymore. You will very likely fill those receptors up just as well.
On the walk back pat yourself on the back.
What Watson said is just emes.
The split second hit of seratonin wont be worth the hours of self hate after compared to not doing it and knowing you got through it..
That seratonin will stay in your blood forever.
As for the unsettling news, as we have been saying here recently - real life is a lot tougher when you don't have the crutches to fall back on.
It should turn out to be for the best, which as we all know, is the only way Hashem works it.
Category: Introduce Yourself
26 Feb 2017 10:36

Watson

I'm sorry to hear that.

This to shall pass.

Acting out will only make you feel worse right after.

How you feel is temporary.
Category: Introduce Yourself
26 Feb 2017 10:23

Strugglingtomakeit

I am currently in my longest streak, since I was in Israel. I am also currently extremely depressed, on top of that I got some potentially unsettling news. At this point I feel like just breaking my streak, just to feel a rush of serotonin, just to feel somewhat happy again even for a little while. Anything that would help. I am really struggling now. At times I just want to end everything, end all the feelings. It all hurts so much. I feel like I'm being pushed away, and hard, it hurts to think the last few weeks I've been trying to change my ways, and to feel like this, doesn't help.
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