22 Feb 2019 14:20
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Shteeble
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Shteeble wrote on 17 Jun 2011 04:46:
#24
Overhauling our character traits
If we continue to experience falls again and again, then something far more fundamental in our character traits may be absent.
The addiction is often a sign that we are missing some of the most basic principles of what it means to be a human being, created in the image of Hashem.
The emotional maturity of an addict can often be at the level of a two year old.
When we don’t get what we want, we feel like crying, kicking and screaming.
We never learned how to deal properly with pain, anxiety, resentment, stress or anger.
We have always used the addiction to hide inside ourselves,
and we refrained from mature emotional interaction with others.
While our peers were growing up and learning about life from the world around them,
we were zoning out into our fantasy worlds of self-pleasure and escape.
And so we often remained as emotionally immature as a little child.
I attended an AA meeting where the speaker was celebrating his 20th year of sobriety.
He began by saying, “The man I once was, drank. And the man I once was, will drink again” (but the man I am today, will not).
Alcoholics who have not had a drink for many years but have not overhauled their character are “dry drunks” and will often drink again.
The same is true for this addiction.
How does one become a different person?
By working diligently on improving one’s character traits.
Learning how to manage anger,
to rid oneself of resentments,
to overcome hate,
to be humble,
to be considerate of others,
to be absolutely honest in all one’s affairs,
to admit being wrong,
to overcome envy,
to be diligent and overcome procrastination.
When one has transformed one’s character and has become a different person,
one will find that this “new person” can accomplish things that the old person could not.
(Attitude Handbook Attitude #18)
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22 Feb 2019 13:58
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Trouble
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EscapeArtist wrote on 22 Feb 2019 05:08:
What a day...
Most of the day I felt on top of the world...
Satisfied with my family...
Satisfied with my job...
Mostly, satisfied with my growth in the area of lust!
I felt like I've somewhat come to terms with my addiction, accepted the fact that I'm gonna get triggered slightly here & there, but that's just me, & I'm asking the אייבישטער to deal with it for me. Felt like I knew that these triggers wouldn't be enough to send me to act out ח"ו, just that they're annoying feelings to contend with...
...
...then I stepped out my front door to go to Maariv, & it hit me that there may be a rare opportunity for a small chance at a specific תאוה I used to "enjoy"...
...in an instant, all those proud feelings were gone. All I could think of was "the h-ck with everything, w/ my sobriety, w/ my streak, w/ my freedom... I NEEEEEEEED this!!!!!!!!!!!!" Nevermind that the chances of actually finding what I was looking for were slim, & the chances that this wasn't really as golden an opportunity as I thought were quite high. Nevermind I can get in trouble... lose that job & that family...
...tried rapidly praying in my head for Hashem to magically make this urge disappear, as I took a few steps towards גיהנום...didn't work... I didn't really want it to...
Finally my brain kicked in somewhat, & said "Hey you [censored], there's no way you can deal with this on your own, call for help NOW!" Tried calling my הייליגער sponsor, he didn't pick up. I desperately called another friend from SA (hey צדיק I know you're reading this), who picked up & heard me out. He didn't judge me, didn't make fun of my insane urges, he just thanked me for sharing my struggle at this crucial moment. He reminded me that I have this higher power who understands exactly how hard this is for me, & that he's right here to take it from me if I want. We prayed a bit together (-even more awkward than sharing the details of the struggle...) & hung up.
It didn't take the urge away, but I felt for the moment able to withstand it.
I went back home & said a tear-filled מזמור שיר חנוכת הבית (- I feel like that kappitel was tailor-made for 12-steppers...), trying to envision myself at the כותל just a few weeks ago saying the same kappitel. I went to a later Maariv, davened a fairly decent שמונה עשרה, & asked Hashem, with a little more sincerity this time, to help me thru this. When I got back in the car, the insane urge was gone, at least for the moment.
...and here I am, alive to tell the story!
ואני אמרתי בשלוי בל אמוט לעולם - I thought things were fine, I'm doing great, I'm done with this lust business...
ה' ברצונך העמדת להררי עוז - nope. It's only by Hashem's grace that I manage to stay sober... (עיין Praise, my soul - R' Avigdor Miller זצ"ל)
...one day at a time...
Besides mentioning my name in vain, this is a truly super post. Those feelings of readiness to throw the whole damn thing away are so palatable. Like, who the f*ck cares anymore? No logic tells us otherwise. The ability to call someone at that time is almost super-human, maybe even miraculous. I only experienced that several times in my life. All the others, it was down the double barrel rabbit holes. Kol hakavod to you and all the others. Maybe it will help me now, but I highly doubt it will be thru a call.
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22 Feb 2019 08:20
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Shteeble
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EscapeArtist wrote on 22 Feb 2019 05:08:
What a day...
Most of the day I felt on top of the world...
Satisfied with my family...
Satisfied with my job...
Mostly, satisfied with my growth in the area of lust!
I felt like I've somewhat come to terms with my addiction, accepted the fact that I'm gonna get triggered slightly here & there, but that's just me, & I'm asking the אייבישטער to deal with it for me. Felt like I knew that these triggers wouldn't be enough to send me to act out ח"ו, just that they're annoying feelings to contend with...
...
...then I stepped out my front door to go to Maariv, & it hit me that there may be a rare opportunity for a small chance at a specific תאוה I used to "enjoy"...
...in an instant, all those proud feelings were gone. All I could think of was "the h-ck with everything, w/ my sobriety, w/ my streak, w/ my freedom... I NEEEEEEEED this!!!!!!!!!!!!" Nevermind that the chances of actually finding what I was looking for were slim, & the chances that this wasn't really as golden an opportunity as I thought were quite high. Nevermind I can get in trouble... lose that job & that family...
...tried rapidly praying in my head for Hashem to magically make this urge disappear, as I took a few steps towards גיהנום...didn't work... I didn't really want it to...
Finally my brain kicked in somewhat, & said "Hey you [censored], there's no way you can deal with this on your own, call for help NOW!" Tried calling my הייליגער sponsor, he didn't pick up. I desperately called another friend from SA (hey צדיק I know you're reading this), who picked up & heard me out. He didn't judge me, didn't make fun of my insane urges, he just thanked me for sharing my struggle at this crucial moment. He reminded me that I have this higher power who understands exactly how hard this is for me, & that he's right here to take it from me if I want. We prayed a bit together (-even more awkward than sharing the details of the struggle...) & hung up.
It didn't take the urge away, but I felt for the moment able to withstand it.
I went back home & said a tear-filled מזמור שיר חנוכת הבית (- I feel like that kappitel was tailor-made for 12-steppers...), trying to envision myself at the כותל just a few weeks ago saying the same kappitel. I went to a later Maariv, davened a fairly decent שמונה עשרה, & asked Hashem, with a little more sincerity this time, to help me thru this. When I got back in the car, the insane urge was gone, at least for the moment.
...and here I am, alive to tell the story!
ואני אמרתי בשלוי בל אמוט לעולם - I thought things were fine, I'm doing great, I'm done with this lust business...
ה' ברצונך העמדת להררי עוז - nope. It's only by Hashem's grace that I manage to stay sober... (עיין Praise, my soul - R' Avigdor Miller זצ"ל)
...one day at a time...
Thank you for sharing.
We're here for you.
Sounds like a success story; painful but successful.
I can relate to:
1. "opportunity triggers"
2. the feeling that I need this
3. total disregard for the risk of losing everything in your life
Hang in there!
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22 Feb 2019 05:28
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mggsbms
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A beautiful post, thanks for writing and sharing.
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22 Feb 2019 05:08
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EscapeArtist
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What a day...
Most of the day I felt on top of the world...
Satisfied with my family...
Satisfied with my job...
Mostly, satisfied with my growth in the area of lust!
I felt like I've somewhat come to terms with my addiction, accepted the fact that I'm gonna get triggered slightly here & there, but that's just me, & I'm asking the אייבישטער to deal with it for me. Felt like I knew that these triggers wouldn't be enough to send me to act out ח"ו, just that they're annoying feelings to contend with...
...
...then I stepped out my front door to go to Maariv, & it hit me that there may be a rare opportunity for a small chance at a specific תאוה I used to "enjoy"...
...in an instant, all those proud feelings were gone. All I could think of was "the h-ck with everything, w/ my sobriety, w/ my streak, w/ my freedom... I NEEEEEEEED this!!!!!!!!!!!!" Nevermind that the chances of actually finding what I was looking for were slim, & the chances that this wasn't really as golden an opportunity as I thought were quite high. Nevermind I can get in trouble... lose that job & that family...
...tried rapidly praying in my head for Hashem to magically make this urge disappear, as I took a few steps towards גיהנום...didn't work... I didn't really want it to...
Finally my brain kicked in somewhat, & said "Hey you [censored], there's no way you can deal with this on your own, call for help NOW!" Tried calling my הייליגער sponsor, he didn't pick up. I desperately called another friend from SA (hey צדיק I know you're reading this), who picked up & heard me out. He didn't judge me, didn't make fun of my insane urges, he just thanked me for sharing my struggle at this crucial moment. He reminded me that I have this higher power who understands exactly how hard this is for me, & that he's right here to take it from me if I want. We prayed a bit together (-even more awkward than sharing the details of the struggle...) & hung up.
It didn't take the urge away, but I felt for the moment able to withstand it.
I went back home & said a tear-filled מזמור שיר חנוכת הבית (- I feel like that kappitel was tailor-made for 12-steppers...), trying to envision myself at the כותל just a few weeks ago saying the same kappitel. I went to a later Maariv, davened a fairly decent שמונה עשרה, & asked Hashem, with a little more sincerity this time, to help me thru this. When I got back in the car, the insane urge was gone, at least for the moment.
...and here I am, alive to tell the story!
ואני אמרתי בשלוי בל אמוט לעולם - I thought things were fine, I'm doing great, I'm done with this lust business...
ה' ברצונך העמדת להררי עוז - nope. It's only by Hashem's grace that I manage to stay sober... (עיין Praise, my soul - R' Avigdor Miller זצ"ל)
...one day at a time...
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20 Feb 2019 06:07
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EscapeArtist
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It's a miracle folks...
My wife went to sleep early & I stayed up till 1AM to get work done...
& all I did was get work done!!!!
(& fotz around GYE but hey that's kinda "work" too...)
A real נס for פורים קטן!
... ה' העלית מן שאול נפשי
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18 Feb 2019 04:52
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lenegditamid100
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Hi there,
May 2016 is the month of my first SA meeting. I'm sober ever since.
I have been using the SA method. Worked the steps etc.
Lately, for several reasons, I started looking for an alternative to 12 Steps.
With Hashem's help I found one, called SMART Recovery.
This program has people who are clean 10-20 years. it is science based. One does not need to be there long term (12 Steps is for life).
I am not advocating for it, for I only started to go to SMART meetings like two months ago.
For now, here are the pros and cons. This may change in a month or two. If it does, I will update here.
Pros:
- Does not mix into my religion.
- So no non-Jewish prayers. No telling me how to believe in Hashem and more.
- After a while (6 months to two years) one is free, and does not need meetings.
- It believes in Choice. I have the power to stop.
- Meetings are also free and worldwide.
- they have a handbook. and all their tools for getting clean one can get online for free.
- One never calls himself a addict when introducing himself.
Cons
- There is no loving fellowship like 12 step groups.
- One is on their own. There is no sponsors (mentors).
- Sure you can get one, but it is not mandatory like in 12 steps.
- There is no ego boost for milestones. In 12 Steps, you get a chip for every milestone one passes for being sober, you start the meeting with saying how long you are sober.
- This sound silly, but it subconsciously helps newcomers, or even old timers.
- Meetings are for all addictions (in 12 Steps, each addiction has their separate meetings and fellowship). That is not an issue, for how the program works, it is not needed.
- The hardship is as follows: a meeting starts with everyone saying their first name, and what addiction they are struggling with or struggled with. to say I have a Sex addiction or Porn Addiction, is not so easy, and may not be accepted.
- When I go I just say "I have a maladaptive behavior (they have a private chat on their forum just for people with sex/porn issues and they suggest this there).
That it for now,
G'night.
LT
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14 Feb 2019 16:20
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cordnoy
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Nomore24 wrote on 14 Feb 2019 15:34:
If only i could be done with this for good just by telling myself i don’t want to do it anymore. But thats not how it works. I sit here at the age of 23 with a very low self esteem and a crippling porn addiction, (amongst other things) wondering where it all went wrong. How do others seem to be leading great lives and yet I’m stuck here in my own personal hell? True i may have had issues that existed before the age of 10 where i first found porn. As usually a porn addiction does not exist in a vacuum. But why did i get the worst of them. The type that have inhibited me my whole life and have caused me to look for things like porn and masturbation to numb the pain. While i tried pretending that the issues didn’t exist and i was good at doing so, at least in the eyes of others. They always came back to haunt me. But i would sweep them under the rug, telling myself that i have a whole life to work on them and that when i get married, my loving wife would understand, and help me and i would be healed of all my afflictions. Well here i am at 23 and i thank HaShem who admittedly has not been central in my life for many years, for helping me take action. I was to be engaged to a wonderful girl but unfortunately (or fortunately) she saw right though me. She understood that i was insecure about my life and i am. She may not have known that i was a porn addict but she knew something was wrong. And she was right. After she called it off, i sat there thinking, how could i expect to marry and have a real relationship with anyone if this is my current life situation? Porn effects everything in your life. I have come to understand that while my emotional issues such as low self esteem may have formed independently and prior to porn, i cannot expect to improve them or any other aspects of my life until the porn addiction is totally destroyed from within me. Porn is a huge source for low self esteem as there is no way one can watch porn and feel good about himself. So in desperation i reached out. I sent my father a detailed letter describing my current life. It was the hardest thing for me to do because he obviously was oblivious to all this. But i couldn’t hide it any longer. I really need help. And as hard as it is, i will now watch all my friends, most of whom are married already, move on with their lives. While i at the age of 23 am just starting my journey to recovery. I have to stop dating now and that’s painful because all i want is to be married and to settle down. But i can’t. I have to leave my current yeshiva and move away. Everything I’ve had in life until now will change. And it will be hard, and painful for me to do. But ultimately, i am happy. I know i am doing what needs to be done and i hope to look back on this part of my life in many years to come and cry tears of joy that i overcame the hardships and became a better person. If anyone is reading this, and suffering with similar problems. Please for your own sake do the hard thing and get help. I joined GYE 5 years ago and would read forums like this and i figured ya I’ll be good by the time i get married. I’m sorry but that’s not true and it’s procrastination. If you’re dealing with an addiction it won’t get better on its own i promise you that. Here i am at 23 and I’m happy that i am at least not older but sad that i knew of the problem for years, yet i did nothing. For your own sake do the hard thing and get real help by confiding in those you trust. You can’t do this alone.
I also welcome you.
Truly amazin' post, and I feel for you.
I bolded above some parts that stood out; I too have questions and comments, but I don't wanna burden you right now.
Suffice it to say that you are not alone, and I highly doubt that you got it the worst. Just for the record, I know many who had a full blown porn (and worse) addiction at the age of 23 and still got married and screwed up others besides themselves, so kudos to you! My God, you are a hero! Where in bloody Hell did you get the courage to do that?
Godspeed to you!
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14 Feb 2019 16:01
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Trouble
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Nomore24 wrote on 14 Feb 2019 15:34:
If only i could be done with this for good just by telling myself i don’t want to do it anymore. But thats not how it works. I sit here at the age of 23 with a very low self esteem and a crippling porn addiction, (amongst other things) wondering where it all went wrong. How do others seem to be leading great lives and yet I’m stuck here in my own personal hell? True i may have had issues that existed before the age of 10 where i first found porn. As usually a porn addiction does not exist in a vacuum. But why did i get the worst of them. The type that have inhibited me my whole life and have caused me to look for things like porn and masturbation to numb the pain. While i tried pretending that the issues didn’t exist and i was good at doing so, at least in the eyes of others. They always came back to haunt me. But i would sweep them under the rug, telling myself that i have a whole life to work on them and that when i get married, my loving wife would understand, and help me and i would be healed of all my afflictions. Well here i am at 23 and i thank HaShem who admittedly has not been central in my life for many years, for helping me take action. I was to be engaged to a wonderful girl but unfortunately (or fortunately) she saw right though me. She understood that i was insecure about my life and i am. She may not have known that i was a porn addict but she knew something was wrong. And she was right. After she called it off, i sat there thinking, how could i expect to marry and have a real relationship with anyone if this is my current life situation? Porn effects everything in your life. I have come to understand that while my emotional issues such as low self esteem may have formed independently and prior to porn, i cannot expect to improve them or any other aspects of my life until the porn addiction is totally destroyed from within me. Porn is a huge source for low self esteem as there is no way one can watch porn and feel good about himself. So in desperation i reached out. I sent my father a detailed letter describing my current life. It was the hardest thing for me to do because he obviously was oblivious to all this. But i couldn’t hide it any longer. I really need help. And as hard as it is, i will now watch all my friends, most of whom are married already, move on with their lives. While i at the age of 23 am just starting my journey to recovery. I have to stop dating now and that’s painful because all i want is to be married and to settle down. But i can’t. I have to leave my current yeshiva and move away. Everything I’ve had in life until now will change. And it will be hard, and painful for me to do. But ultimately, i am happy. I know i am doing what needs to be done and i hope to look back on this part of my life in many years to come and cry tears of joy that i overcame the hardships and became a better person. If anyone is reading this, and suffering with similar problems. Please for your own sake do the hard thing and get help. I joined GYE 5 years ago and would read forums like this and i figured ya I’ll be good by the time i get married. I’m sorry but that’s not true and it’s procrastination. If you’re dealing with an addiction it won’t get better on its own i promise you that. Here i am at 23 and I’m happy that i am at least not older but sad that i knew of the problem for years, yet i did nothing. For your own sake do the hard thing and get real help by confiding in those you trust. You can’t do this alone.
This was well written, if I must say. Welcome. How did your father respond? Why do you feel that everyone else has it so good? On that note, can you ever stop and think how others view you? Do they say that mrnomore has it all? Maybe. Whatever the answers are or aren't, there are many like you and there are many who pushed off getting help even longer than you did. Hell, that's me!
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14 Feb 2019 15:34
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Nomore24
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If only i could be done with this for good just by telling myself i don’t want to do it anymore. But thats not how it works. I sit here at the age of 23 with a very low self esteem and a crippling porn addiction, (amongst other things) wondering where it all went wrong. How do others seem to be leading great lives and yet I’m stuck here in my own personal hell? True i may have had issues that existed before the age of 10 where i first found porn. As usually a porn addiction does not exist in a vacuum. But why did i get the worst of them. The type that have inhibited me my whole life and have caused me to look for things like porn and masturbation to numb the pain. While i tried pretending that the issues didn’t exist and i was good at doing so, at least in the eyes of others. They always came back to haunt me. But i would sweep them under the rug, telling myself that i have a whole life to work on them and that when i get married, my loving wife would understand, and help me and i would be healed of all my afflictions. Well here i am at 23 and i thank HaShem who admittedly has not been central in my life for many years, for helping me take action. I was to be engaged to a wonderful girl but unfortunately (or fortunately) she saw right though me. She understood that i was insecure about my life and i am. She may not have known that i was a porn addict but she knew something was wrong. And she was right. After she called it off, i sat there thinking, how could i expect to marry and have a real relationship with anyone if this is my current life situation? Porn effects everything in your life. I have come to understand that while my emotional issues such as low self esteem may have formed independently and prior to porn, i cannot expect to improve them or any other aspects of my life until the porn addiction is totally destroyed from within me. Porn is a huge source for low self esteem as there is no way one can watch porn and feel good about himself. So in desperation i reached out. I sent my father a detailed letter describing my current life. It was the hardest thing for me to do because he obviously was oblivious to all this. But i couldn’t hide it any longer. I really need help. And as hard as it is, i will now watch all my friends, most of whom are married already, move on with their lives. While i at the age of 23 am just starting my journey to recovery. I have to stop dating now and that’s painful because all i want is to be married and to settle down. But i can’t. I have to leave my current yeshiva and move away. Everything I’ve had in life until now will change. And it will be hard, and painful for me to do. But ultimately, i am happy. I know i am doing what needs to be done and i hope to look back on this part of my life in many years to come and cry tears of joy that i overcame the hardships and became a better person. If anyone is reading this, and suffering with similar problems. Please for your own sake do the hard thing and get help. I joined GYE 5 years ago and would read forums like this and i figured ya I’ll be good by the time i get married. I’m sorry but that’s not true and it’s procrastination. If you’re dealing with an addiction it won’t get better on its own i promise you that. Here i am at 23 and I’m happy that i am at least not older but sad that i knew of the problem for years, yet i did nothing. For your own sake do the hard thing and get real help by confiding in those you trust. You can’t do this alone.
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14 Feb 2019 04:20
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EscapeArtist
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"scientific studies say that after 50 days all the wiring in your brain changes and you never ever ever feel like lusting again...and you start enjoying the rebbetzin's cholent... and you start speaking pig latin..." uh huh.
I picked up my kids from Yeshiva today, & for some unknown reason to mankind, I let my mind wander a bit too far in regards to a pretty מורה there. Ignited that frustrating tingling in the lower abdomen & brought up all these lousy feelings that tend to hang around us addicts...
After a couple of hours i had enough & figured I may as well try this SA trick & daven for help (אַ גרוֹיסע חידוש); so I asked 'ה (out loud) to take away my desire for this woman. While I was saying that I was thinking how it would make a great story to share at SA tonight & I'll just make up that it worked. Well then my skeptical brain had to think about her one more time just to prove that it didn't work... but lo & behold, the tingling was gone, along w/ all those lousy feelings! I tell you, there's what to be said about this prayer business... !הודו לה' כי טוב
I should try davening for the cholent...
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13 Feb 2019 20:24
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mggsbms
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Workingguy wrote on 13 Feb 2019 16:45:
OTR,
I don’t know if you have to call yourself a latent addict. With accessibility being what it is today, and the porn being immediately rewarding in the short term, having easy access is brutal for anyone. Yes, there are people here who have easy access and perhaps would never touch it, but with temptation close by, it is hard for most normal people not to sin. Throw in that if a person is bored, hungry, angry, lonely or tired, and without something making it harder, it’s too easy to fall.
So I think you’re normal and human.
These realistic words have helped a lot recently.
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13 Feb 2019 16:45
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Workingguy
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OTR,
I don’t know if you have to call yourself a latent addict. With accessibility being what it is today, and the porn being immediately rewarding in the short term, having easy access is brutal for anyone. Yes, there are people here who have easy access and perhaps would never touch it, but with temptation close by, it is hard for most normal people not to sin. Throw in that if a person is bored, hungry, angry, lonely or tired, and without something making it harder, it’s too easy to fall.
So I think you’re normal and human.
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13 Feb 2019 13:04
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OTR
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I hear that. I don't think trying to stay clean worked for me tbh, Filters are what helped me gain the ability to control myself in day to day life. Lessened the challenge. When I have unlimited porn in front of me I fall back into those patterns within a few days. Weeks or so at most. I can't take the seasaw anymore or the mental anguish of parsing out what I will allow myself to do, look at etc.. verus what I won't allow.. and how it affects me. And I'm happy.
Of course the underlying issues driving my addiction need to be worked on and I am. With a friend, friends, my spouse, davening, mussar.. and mainly myself. I guess I am a dormant addict is what I would say. I am not a dry drunk. I am not fiending for my next fix. I could at anytime (which once in a while I have done) go and obtain porn access. It would cost me a few bucks but not much.. However with the distance I have set porn at for me, I just don't feel the pull as strongly and mostly just able to function. Feel accomplished. etc..
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12 Feb 2019 16:23
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EscapeArtist
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H eY EveRyoNE I'M stILL (hic) SObER
(and have too much time on my hands apparently)
Stuck home from work today with sick baby. Got that "bittersweet" feeling that I'm in recovery mode. Got a new laptop somewhere (my wife hid it until i have time to filter it) & it doesn't even tempt me to search for it. A bit scary. I guess I know how lousy I'll feel if I did find it & use it inappropriately. Or maybe I'm just a tzaddik... (hic)
I unsubscribed to SAnet, way too many bitter people on there. I'm on the Jewish group now, I got like a million welcomes the day i signed up. I also finally got myself a sponsor so I can stop groping around in the darkness trying to get up these 12 steps. I warned him I'm gonna have lots of annoying questions... he has no idea what he's in for
אַ פְרַיילִכֶען אַדָר
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