07 Apr 2021 22:07
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Striving Avreich
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I disagree. There are 12 step programs for people that are addicted to cigarettes and alcohol. There are also 12 step programs for people that are addicted to sexual related issues (called sexaholics anonymous).
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07 Apr 2021 21:39
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bentorah613
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It's time to quit porn!
Why is it seemingly so much harder to quit porn than it is to say quit smoking or alcohol. Not saying it's easy to quit smoking, but I've definitely heard plenty of people saying they just decided to quit and haven't touched a cigarette since. I haven't heard the same about porn. Is it because it builds off a natural taava while smoking is acquired? So it's more than just the addiction that makes it so hard, it's the natural taava...
Is it just me or do people agree?
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06 Apr 2021 18:57
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BHYY
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eyes wrote on 01 Apr 2021 01:37:
Hi Getting married is not going to help the fight.
Today I actually spoke with Dov, and he told me that for some it could make it harder.
It all depends who you are.
If someone is addicted then when they are two weeks off it could be torture.
If your wife sees that you are into sex, she will back off and you will get no sex at all.
I've been there.
Its in the mind
Did I ever say it was?
I can tell you are very passionate about this and have posted similar things are on other peoples' threads but if you read my thread you will see that my frustration is because I want to go into marriage REWIRED. Hence:
I am b'chasdei Hashem working on this now before marriage but every time I fall I feel this intense fear that I'll mess up marriage by not getting over this.
Forgive me for jumping on you but you really need to read a thread before making a comment like that because it can come across as insulting. I've been fighting this fight for my marriage, whenever it happens.
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02 Apr 2021 04:32
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YeshivaGuy
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FighterWithFire wrote on 01 Apr 2021 03:27:
(Warning: Fairly graphic)
Throughout my struggle with pornography, the root of the problem has been my desire for a girl. I'm 20 years old, still a couple of years away from dating, and my lust to have sex with a girl is through the roof. B"H, I have refrained from "hooking up" online, but it hasn't been for lack of lusting. I actually one time created an account under a spam email address on one of those sites, and messaged a woman who asked if I would want to meet. When I responded in the affirmative, she asked if before we did, I could send her a picture of myself. I actually considered it. Then I deleted the account, the email, turned the browser off, and broke down crying. I have not re-created an account since then, but the desire to is through the roof. The only reason I haven't is because I think of how it would destroy my future, but sometimes the thought process switches to how it COULD destroy my future, and the lust encourages me to take the chance.
I've written my story on here before ( guardyoureyes.com/forum/1-Break-Free/362124-Falling-hard-nonstop), but now I feel like I've finally hit on the root of my struggle. I don't think (and neither does my therapist) that I am an addict, as the lust is not nonstop, and often, the lust is not for porn, (I have no trouble with masturbation whatsoever, thank God), but for actual sex with a girl; the porn is manifested in that desire. I cannot filter more than what I already have, as the access to the porn is via my PARENT'S (when I'm home) unfiltered devices, which they don't know I have access to (hence they don't see even a remote need for a filter, as they have no clue of the problem; nobody does, save for my therapist-one would never guess looking at me that I struggle with this, I do well in Yeshiva B"H, have terrific parents, B"H).
In short, it's hard, the access to hook up is often right there under my nose, and any eitzos/advice for dealing with this horrid struggle would be greatly appreciated.
Wow man, you sound just like me.
You can check out my thread “Make It To Yeshiva” to see my similar struggles.
Feel free to send me a PM
Hatzlocha,
YeshivaGuy
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01 Apr 2021 03:27
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FighterWithFire
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(Warning: Fairly graphic)
Throughout my struggle with pornography, the root of the problem has been my desire for a girl. I'm 20 years old, still a couple of years away from dating, and my lust to have sex with a girl is through the roof. B"H, I have refrained from "hooking up" online, but it hasn't been for lack of lusting. I actually one time created an account under a spam email address on one of those sites, and messaged a woman who asked if I would want to meet. When I responded in the affirmative, she asked if before we did, I could send her a picture of myself. I actually considered it. Then I deleted the account, the email, turned the browser off, and broke down crying. I have not re-created an account since then, but the desire to is through the roof. The only reason I haven't is because I think of how it would destroy my future, but sometimes the thought process switches to how it COULD destroy my future, and the lust encourages me to take the chance.
I've written my story on here before ( guardyoureyes.com/forum/1-Break-Free/362124-Falling-hard-nonstop), but now I feel like I've finally hit on the root of my struggle. I don't think (and neither does my therapist) that I am an addict, as the lust is not nonstop, and often, the lust is not for porn, (I have no trouble with masturbation whatsoever, thank God), but for actual sex with a girl; the porn is manifested in that desire. I cannot filter more than what I already have, as the access to the porn is via my PARENT'S (when I'm home) unfiltered devices, which they don't know I have access to (hence they don't see even a remote need for a filter, as they have no clue of the problem; nobody does, save for my therapist-one would never guess looking at me that I struggle with this, I do well in Yeshiva B"H, have terrific parents, B"H).
In short, it's hard, the access to hook up is often right there under my nose, and any eitzos/advice for dealing with this horrid struggle would be greatly appreciated.
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01 Apr 2021 01:37
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eyes
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One thing that really gets me down when I fall is that I'm in the parsha of Shidduchim. I am b'chasdei Hashem working on this now before marriage but every time I fall I feel this intense fear that I'll mess up marriage by not getting over this. There are tons of stories on GYE and more that I've heard personally. I want to have a healthy marriage with my head on straight.
The married folks here can fact check me on this but I guess what I need to come to terms with is that a long streak does not guarantee me a happy, healthy marriage in this inyan. Only Hashem can do that. I just need to keep fighting. Of course doing the same thing over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity but I think I have been making healthy changes. Hard changes but healthy.
Hi Getting married is not going to help the fight.
Today I actually spoke with Dov, and he told me that for some it could make it harder.
It all depends who you are.
If someone is addicted then when they are two weeks off it could be torture.
If your wife sees that you are into sex, she will back off and you will get no sex at all.
I've been there.
Its in the mind
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31 Mar 2021 21:05
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Striving Avreich
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in_ardua_tendit wrote on 23 Mar 2021 15:31:
Okay guys, I did a big thing today and blocked Twitter on my phone with the filter (the website and the app). I also blocked another app which allowed access to pornographic content. I had a fall this morning but I don't want to keep doing that. And I don't want to keep wasting so much time on twitter. My hand goes to the phone to unlock it and open the twitter app even now that it is gone, while I am sitting at my desk in front of my work computer. I realized that it really is like an addiction. For example, I did not go to sleep for about 45 minutes last night because I was on Twitter. And even if I had been reading instead, at least I would have been reading, and I would have gone to sleep earlier, probably, because I get tired eventually reading in a way I do not when anticipating the dopamine buzz of twitter news and twitter interactions.
Thanks to everyone who reached out to give suggestions and chizuk.
Wow! I'm amazed. Thanks for good news! Boruch Hashem!
How's it going?
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30 Mar 2021 15:44
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BHYY
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Fool wrote on 26 Mar 2021 03:28:
I'm finding it really difficult to fall asleep on time. It seems the only way I can get to sleep these days is when I am completely exhausted. The only time I get more than five hours is shabbos, and a lot of days I only get three.
The main problem I'm having is with fantasy. With the amount of time I've spent with erotic material, I have a virtually endless library in my head. I can probably spend many many hours going through it all. The way I've stayed away from fantasy is by force of will. The same way I'm careful with shmiras eynayim, where I look away instantly from anything that triggers my lust (aside from my girlfriend of course, although I do try and limit the amount I lust after her). I do the same thing in my mind. Any time I have a thought that triggers lust I immediately "look away" I send my minds eye in a different direction and actively think about a different subject while letting the lustful thought go.
I'm doing very well with this generally. Rarely I'll have incredibly vivid memories of P pop up in my mind during the day, along with my heart racing and my libido awakening, and it will take some time for that to fade away. The problem arises when I try to go to sleep. I've never been great at falling asleep and to do so requires long periods of me laying down in a very relaxed state. This means I let my guard down and my mind wanders. Inevitably this leads to thoughts of P and because I don't have my defenses up I end up thinking down a memory path longer than I want to. No longer than 10-30 seconds but this still definitely triggers me and awakens those pathways in my brain. Once this occurs I find it very difficult to "look away" in my mind and the P memory takes up more room and becomes more powerful.
The only way I've found to deal with this is by opening my eyes and picking up my phone or a book to distract me for a while. Then I'll try and sleep again. And get triggered again. This cycle goes until I've totally exhausted myself and fall asleep.
I'm not sure what to do here as this little sleep is definitely damaging. The cycle is hurting me. Beside the regular negative health benefits and harmful impacts on the brain, it also saps my energy that I need for shmeras eynayim. I hope as time goes on the memories will fade and I'll be able to sleep. Many people report insomnia when first kicking this addiction. For now I will just keep trucking.
I would recommend you download an app called "Calm". They have sleep meditation, sleep stories, and soundscapes to help you relax and occupy your brain while you fall asleep. I used to use it a lot to wind down and fall asleep when I didn't want my mind to wonder to fantasies.
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29 Mar 2021 21:53
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Striving Avreich
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Welcome yct!
I have struggled with this for many years and have only recently gotten my act together by coming here.
As many people have mentioned, an essential part of moving forward and change is the reason behind our change (ie. Why should I change?). When the going gets tough and the Yetzer Harah pulls out his machine gun, we need to be well grounded, know where we are headed and have the desire to do what we need to do.
Another important part of this journey, is having someone to talk about this. Addictions like this are like mold, they thrive in darkness. Both a mentor and a friend/partner can help greatly for this.
For me, the mentors have been a psychologist and a veteran GYE member and I have made some friends on GYE. I think the biggest reason for these two, besides for the fact that secrecy and being hidden are what fuels addiction often, is that, for me, I had not lived as an adult with out pornography or masturbation so how on earth should I be expected to know how to change and life a normal life?
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29 Mar 2021 21:29
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Striving Avreich
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Welcome. Good to have you here.
What do you mean by, "if the situation presents itself to me?"
It's good to have someone to help lead you through this. For me, it has been tremendously helpful. I have been speaking to a veteran member of GYE and a therapist primarily, although for me the addiction was considerably more severe.
Please keep us updated, and please reach out when ever.
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26 Mar 2021 03:28
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Fool
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I'm finding it really difficult to fall asleep on time. It seems the only way I can get to sleep these days is when I am completely exhausted. The only time I get more than five hours is shabbos, and a lot of days I only get three.
The main problem I'm having is with fantasy. With the amount of time I've spent with erotic material, I have a virtually endless library in my head. I can probably spend many many hours going through it all. The way I've stayed away from fantasy is by force of will. The same way I'm careful with shmiras eynayim, where I look away instantly from anything that triggers my lust (aside from my girlfriend of course, although I do try and limit the amount I lust after her). I do the same thing in my mind. Any time I have a thought that triggers lust I immediately "look away" I send my minds eye in a different direction and actively think about a different subject while letting the lustful thought go.
I'm doing very well with this generally. Rarely I'll have incredibly vivid memories of P pop up in my mind during the day, along with my heart racing and my libido awakening, and it will take some time for that to fade away. The problem arises when I try to go to sleep. I've never been great at falling asleep and to do so requires long periods of me laying down in a very relaxed state. This means I let my guard down and my mind wanders. Inevitably this leads to thoughts of P and because I don't have my defenses up I end up thinking down a memory path longer than I want to. No longer than 10-30 seconds but this still definitely triggers me and awakens those pathways in my brain. Once this occurs I find it very difficult to "look away" in my mind and the P memory takes up more room and becomes more powerful.
The only way I've found to deal with this is by opening my eyes and picking up my phone or a book to distract me for a while. Then I'll try and sleep again. And get triggered again. This cycle goes until I've totally exhausted myself and fall asleep.
I'm not sure what to do here as this little sleep is definitely damaging. The cycle is hurting me. Beside the regular negative health benefits and harmful impacts on the brain, it also saps my energy that I need for shmeras eynayim. I hope as time goes on the memories will fade and I'll be able to sleep. Many people report insomnia when first kicking this addiction. For now I will just keep trucking.
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26 Mar 2021 00:00
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Shlemiel
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Shalom.
I have been a member of GYE since 5774; however, I did not join the forum until more recently. In the beginning, back in 5774 when I did not own an electronic device with Internet access, I had a healthy fear of inappropriate material. I found GYE through an add via Arutz Sheva; and, using public internet, I signed up for the chizuk emails, mostly as preventative medicine. Unfortunately around that time, I did view on occasion, mildly inappropriate material on public internet, yet, inapropriate nonetheless. No rationalization necessary.
Until the past several years I had no private access to the internet. I eventually acquired a small tablet; however, I refused at that point to get a router, even though the apartment complex charged a monthly fee for internet use, that I had been paying for years, because that is part of my rent. So, I finally decided on a router, sure enough of myself that I was capable of preventing a worst case scenario of falling prey to shmutz in the privacy of my own apartment.
Yet, I am not a tzaddik; in fact, I am only baal teshuvah wih a Conservative religious background. Albeit, I do not consider myself an internet addict, per se, even though I can easily recognize the addictive pattern that leads me back to inappropriate material every now and then. I do not spend very much time looking at inappropriate photos on the internet; nor, do I get caught up in watching any inappropriate videos for more than a few minutes at a time. Yet, even two minutes or less of viewing photos or watching videos is two minutes too much. Recently, in the past several days I fell in a way that should serve as a wake-up-call. H'Shem willing.
I feel that my two greatest "enemies," aside from the yetzer hara, are complacency and rationalization. I know that I need to discern the key issues in my life - the root of the problem - in order to sincerely change. H'Shem willing, through journaling, heshbon hanefesh, and perhaps counseling, if an ideal situation presents iiself to me. I also have not made the step of finding an accountablity partner to sign up on my filter-accountability app. I am a writer as well as a blogger; so, at this point, I need to balance my writing activities with proper use of the Internet. Looking forward to a renewal at Pesach; perhaps, even my own personal yam suf. H'Shem willing.
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24 Mar 2021 17:11
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Fool
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37 days! After a strong PMO addiction (many hours per day, every day) that has spanned over half my life, this is the longest streak I've ever had! The most before this was 28 days, and that was in January of this year. Before that I had a couple of periods a little over three weeks. While I've had this addiction for a long long time, its only in the past five years (after I found ybop and gye) that I've been trying to fight it. Most of my fights have ended in early failure, leading to many long periods of not even trying.
While I would never have been able to get this far without all the work I did in the past five years, there are a few things that are different this time. The main difference is that I have been dating an amazing girl for over 4 months that I hope to get engaged to soon.
I know it is not great to change for someone else, and I have a lot of thoughts about it. But in short I'm using it more as a push to get over the initial hump. To motivate myself to do the work that I need to do to solidify lasting change. It is working. During the most difficult times, thoughts of her and what I want for my marriage keep me on track.
I also have been reading everything I can about this addiction and recovery. I replaced much of my time that I would spend with P and lust related things(many hours per day, maybe half of some days), with instead reading all of the various forums and literature. My long term goal is to phase this out, and live a normal life with only some maintenance for my recovery, but for the initial 60 or 90 days I think it's OK to obsess over my recovery.
I often write these posts in my head and then never actually write them down. I'm going to work on writing more and documenting my journey as it's probably more helpful to actually solidify my thoughts.
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24 Mar 2021 04:21
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Mount whitney
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wilnevergiveup wrote on Unknown:
Two steps forward, one step back, or five steps forward, four steps back, the main thing is that you are still moving in the right direction and that you don't stop moving.
It's not like flipping a switch, it takes time and effort. The beginning is what is called "inspiration" the rest is called "real life." When we start off, we are driven and ready to push, but as reality sets in, we constantly have to reignite the drive to push.
As @Sapy said, this starts with putting down clearly why you are fighting in the first place. The "Why" is going to be the most important question you will need to answer. The Y"H is going to ask you why, your phone will ask you why, your anger will ask why, your patients will ask, your loneliness will ask, etc. Everyone will be asking the same question, you better have a good answer for them or you will give up in a snap.
We don't like to do things that are hard, that's just how we are wired. (in mussar we say that if the Y"H wouldn't be stronger that the Y"T, we wouldn't have free will because we would be compelled to do good. After all, it's the truth and it's easier! Only a fool would run after physical things! In order to ensure bechira, Hashem made the wrong choice always the easier one.) One way to combat this is to give yourself enough of a reason to do the difficult option, that when you consider all the ramifications, the harder choice actually becomes the easier one.
i never did porn so dont get me jealous lol. i do mastrubate however, im here because im not happy with myself i feel i gotta stop but at the same time im unhappy with what i get from my wife and how that satisfies me. so its a little backwards but sometimes i feel its the only way to b satisfied am i crazy?
Never did porn? Then you really won't find it satisfying. Here is a video GYE sent out a few weeks ago that brings out this point so clearly.
im here because im not happy with myself it's a start, but what are you unhappy about? What do you feel? Is it something to do with betrayal? Do you feel like you deserve to live a better life? Is it because you feel like your wife deserves a more loyal husband? is it because you can't imagine the horror of getting caught? Is it because it take up more time than you give to things that are really important to you? Is it because it takes you away from learning and davening and spending time with family and friends? Is it because it just feels dumb and low to run to the toilet every whenever you are bored or stressed? Is it because you know that there is more meaning in life than to ejaculate as one of your primary goals in life (think about how much time we spend planning and then when you consider the bedroom, as kosher masturbation and how focused we are on getting our fix there, we can safely assume that that the goal of ejaculation is pretty high on the list)?
I am sorry if this is too harsh, I don't mean it personally, but food for thought. This is what a lot of guys go through. Please think about it.
but at the same time im unhappy with what i get from my wife and how that satisfies me.
Same here, you ain't the only one here who feels that way. Just look around the BB forum, that's what everyone is complaining about.
The question you need to ask yourself is this, what would satisfy you? What is it that you are looking for? Check out that video that I linked earlier, it makes this point clear. What are your goals in life? What does bring you satisfaction? whatever it is, if you have healthy goals and accomplishing them brings you satisfaction, focus on those and you will have your much coveted satisfaction.
There is a way to find satisfaction in your marriage, but it's not going to be through pursuing your fantasies and seeking as much pleasure for yourself. Satisfaction comes from one thing and that is through building long term meaningful relationships. With relatives, friends, spouse and kids and ultimately with Hashem. When we work on our relationships, we feel satisfied. It's not a simple task, but the crux of it is focusing on the needs of others and putting them before ours.
Here are a few great videos worth watching.
gye.vids.io/videos/1c9adbb61c1de2cb94/how-do-we-protect-our-children-from-seeking-bad-pleasures
gye.vids.io/videos/4c9adbb61c1de2c7c4/what-is-the-opposite-of-addiction
gye.vids.io/videos/7c9bd1be1915eac5f4/04-everything-we-think-we-know-about-addiction-is-wrong.
gye.vids.io/videos/709addb71c1deacbf8/give-them-a-life-to-fight-for
All the best,
Wilnevergiveup
allright first of all thanks for ur post i thought a ton about what u brought up. here goes, basically as i said earlier the main reason i want to quit this is because of how i feel afterwards fake, gross, distant from hashem, depressed.... all those 'wonderfull feelings' of course most of the things u brought up are true too but those arent the main motivators. as far as your other points what would satisfy me... the truth is i dont think i am asking for a lot i never watched porn and although that doesnt make me immune to this but i am not looking for a 'pornstar' experience i feel that i am looking for the 'regular' experience which i dont feel i am getting basically because i am not at all attracted to my wife i hate to say this but im kinda repulsed especially in the bedroom because of the weight gain ive spoken about.now u r right that satisfaction is about long term relationships but its hard to build a relationship in this situation and also i still need to be satisfied in this area as i said earlier idont think im asking for something totally abnormal rather based on what i see on the street(neighbors freinds wives...) is not what i have. true under the clothing they may be hiding stuff but at least on the street they look great! u know what i mean i hope i am making some sense im not so good at writing anyways thanks again for ur post i really appreciated it
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23 Mar 2021 19:12
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Zedj
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Grant400 wrote on 23 Mar 2021 19:01:
Gevald! Today is brutal. Fresh images beckon enticingly. I need that signature as a reminder for a little bit. I pray I make it through the day. I am weakening...My grip is just as tight but I'm getting tired...
This might be familiar........
1. I remind myself that it's just a feeling, no matter how much it feels like a need.
2. I remind myself of my feelings after the last time I didn't stay strong. Both, the feeling like garbage and the fact that I realized that the desire for the enjoyment, is greater than the actual enjoyment.
3. I remind myself that every time I act out again can lead me to a more dangerous addiction level, which can eventually cause me to do crazy things to get my fix, and completely take over my brain and life, by causing me to obsess about it every second.
4. I remind myself how all of my davening, learning and mitzvos after will feel horrible and completely disconnected.
5. I think about having to restart my streak count.
(For married people)
6. I imagine how I will feel around my lovely wife after I spend time fantasizing or ogling other womans bodies, while she mistakenly believes I share that aspect exclusively with her. (It's one of the most horrible feelings in the world).
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