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03 Aug 2021 02:58

Markz

ihadstringsbutnowimfree wrote on 02 Aug 2021 22:36:
Glad you read it! Yeah, I figured I'd make a separate thread instead of sharing it over and over. I don't know why this isn't more widely known, apparently the first version came out in 2017. If only I'd known then...oh well.

I read it for the first time about two weeks ago and relapsed after 10 days for 2 reasons. Firstly, I had not followed the instructions to have a last session, as I was a few days abstinent at the time. Secondly, I did not fully remove the "brainwashing" or emotional attachment fully; I still had 5% attachment left, desire to use some "less bad" content (still porn even if not nude material, porn is just sexually stimulating content). Due to both of these reasons, I had to resort to willpower a few times and they were all related to the 5% that I hadn't gotten rid of.

Once I relapsed, I used it as an opportunity to re-read the book with the 5% content in mind, and followed the instructions to have a last session. The next day I felt 99% free, and ever since then I feel 100% free. When urges come along I just follow the method: I think "would a non-user have these urges to use porn?" and then that makes me realize that it's not me that wants to use porn, it's my addiction talking. So then I say to my addiction, "No, YOU want to use porn. Shut up." Then my addiction goes "Ya got me" and slinks away. It's pretty amusing. Sounds crazy to talk to yourself, but it really helps to use the Addiction Voice Recognition Technique with it to realize that you are not your urges, and that any time you have a withdrawal pang or an urge to use, it's the addiction talking, not you. I have a pang? It's not me, it's YOU, Mr. Addict! I'm on to you! Then the urge goes away. No willpower required.

I've looked into many modalities, including Recovery Nation, SA (religious cult), and other things. This method is the one I've been looking for: don't tell me I need to do this and that, just get rid of the addiction so I can begin to live again. It's a lot easier to sort out all the damage I've done when I'm not thinking about this stuff all day.

Cult?
Category: Break Free
02 Aug 2021 17:37

ihadstringsbutnowimfree

EasyPeasy is an adaptation of Allan Carr's Easyway to Quit Smoking. The basic premise of the book is that it takes your mindset from being one of a user that enjoys porn (or Youtube, IG, Tiktok, etc.) and sees quitting as something hard to do, to a non-user that sees no benefit in using porn and sees quitting as the most natural thing in the world to do. You probably don't do hard drugs like heroine. If you read the book, you'll see porn like heroine: something that only harms you and provides no benefit, and is therefore very easy to not consume. That's why it's called EasyPeasy: because quitting is easy! You'll want to read the book, but here are some of the basic ideas of the book:

7 Core Ideas of the Book

1. You want to quit porn. Don’t forget this. You decided to escape the trap once and for all. Taking 1 quick peek will only suck you back in. This might seem tempting, except...

2. The trap has no benefit to it. There is no advantage to porn. You might think that it helps you release, escape, deal with stress, etc. But in all of these cases, remember that the non-addict deals with these daily struggles of life better than an addict. Your addiction will only make and keep things worse!

3. Withdrawal symptoms are mild. Remember, it is your fear of withdrawal symptoms that keeps you hooked. It’s what makes you relapse. It’s what makes you have “just one peek.” But there is nothing to fear at all! The withdrawal symptoms are mild at best. You’ve gone through them countless times whether it be due to friends, family, school, or work. Biologically, there is nothing to fear. You won’t explode.

4. The real issue is psychological. It is the fear. It is the crutch that tells you that porn addiction will help you find fulfillment. It will help you fill the void of your life. It will do no such thing. If anything, it created the void in the first place. The larger fact is that you must know where these false beliefs came from. Primarily from:

5. Over a lifetime of looking at media, social media, friends, society, etc., you’ve been fed the lie that sex is the most important thing in the world. They tell you that without sex, you are incomplete. That you must always be seeking sex. That if you don’t, you’re a loser. Start looking out for these things. Don’t fear missing out on these delusions again. They are all lies anyways! They are told by people to make you feeling less worthy and hooked so that you can stay addicted to their apps, their products and services, and buy whatever they’re selling them.

6. You’ve been "brainwashed" over a lifetime. So reversing the lies will take some time. Affirm to yourself everyday about the truths you’ve uncovered in this book. Tell yourself how excited you are to become free from the porn trap. How great it feels to let the poison out. How life gets better when you’re a non-addict. You cannot passively do this. You must actively seek out positive messages and tell them to yourself. Please please please do this! Otherwise, you might slip up again.

7. In case you slip up, don’t beat yourself up! Remember, that is part of the trap. Get back up, re-read the book, and try again. The brainwashing takes time to reverse. Affirm the truth to yourself: you weren't happy being a user. That's why you quit!

Emergency Reminder:
If you’re feeling “on edge” with withdrawal and want to take “just one peek”, remember:

Change the meaning of what you’re feeling. Don’t think that your body is asking for its fix, instead, tell yourself: “Wow! This is how it feels like when the poison drains out of me!” Or think, "That isn't a real urge, because I don't actually want porn anymore, now that I've read the book. That's a withdrawal urge! It's a sign of my brain and body becoming more healthy!"

Change the meaning of what you’re feeling and withdrawals will be easily overcome. You’re not fighting (i.e. using your willpower). You are changing the meaning!

Coda
These notes were adapted from notes I found elsewhere on the book. I hope this at least gives you an idea of what the book is about, as well as giving you some notes to refer back to from time to time or in a moment of forgetfulness of your decision to quit (i.e., an urge). These notes are definitely not a substitute for reading (or listening to, there's an audiobook linked in the pdf!) the book. Thanks and good luck, although you don't really need luck, you just need about 5 hours of time to read the book. If you have a commute, you could easily listen to the audiobook over a few days. Don't think about quitting before reading the book, this will be a barrier to starting. Just think "I don't have to quit at all, I'm just reading this book because I'm an intellectually curious person who enjoys reading new things!" This will make it easier to get started. You might want to print out the PDF so you can read it in a less distracted environment than a screen.

Please post any questions or insights in the thread, so others may benefit. Thank you!

Category: Break Free
01 Aug 2021 15:17

EvedHashem1836

180. Big number.

My goal was to get to 90 by elul and now I got to 180 BH.

Recently I've found it more helpful to not be on GYE personally because I often find myself getting triggered here. Which is ok - GYE is not meant to be a trigger free zone, people post about their problems which inevitably will trigger other people. For me the biggest issue though is when people get too specific. They say, last night I struggled with xxxx or xxxxx and I would think to myself what is that so I would head over to google and boom I'd get triggered. Or it would be something I know but I pushed to the back of my head and I'd be reminded again. So for that reason mostly I'd say I haven't been here for a while and not sure if I'm going to return to my active posting ways.

That being said I owe an incredible debt to GYE for bringing me to where I am today - without GYE and the incredible chevra here I doubt i'd have gotten past 14 days over the entire year.

To clarify - I'm not advising dropping GYE I'm just saying what was helpful for me. Also keep in mind that I am not the traditional addict I always had a lot of motivation and drive and never even saw real hardcore porn (although I've seen plenty of really bad stuff that might qualify) so for most people its probably helpful to talk about these things but for me its almost better if I don't talk about it because talking about it almost gives it validity and at this point the less I think about it the less its an issue.
Category: Introduce Yourself
29 Jul 2021 18:13

DavidT

Here is an excerpt from the EasyPeasy book (Painlessly quit porn immediately, without willpower or any sense of deprivation or sacrifice.) 

The Instructions
1. Follow all instructions.
2. Keep an open mind.
3. Start with a feeling of elation.
4. Resist any promise of a temporary fix.
5. Get it clear in your mind: Porn provides no genuine pleasure or crutch and you aren’t making a sacrifice.
There’s nothing to give up and no reason to feel deprived.
6. Don’t wait to quit, do it now!
7. Make a decision never to watch again and never question it.
8. Remember there is no such thing as just one peek.
9. Never watch porn again.

Affirmations
• I’m free from the slavery of porn.
• It’s easy to ignore my thoughts about porn.
• Bye bye thoughts, bye bye urges. Oh, there goes my cravings.
• I focus my subconscious mind to overcome porn addiction.
• Porn steals my time, energy and vitality.
• Beating porn gets exponentially easier day by day and in every aspect.
• I enjoy and value my porn-free, strong, happy, light and easy lifestyle.
• If I look back and think about my progress, it gives me great joy and pride in myself.
• Every time I see other porn users I get more motivated to see myself break that chain.
• All that pent up energy is healing my body and mind. Then, I can do more productive and challenging
work towards my values and goals.
• My brain is getting back in correct shape, getting exercised by me not doing what I was previously doing.
• Now all that pent up willpower is being utilized to handle lightweight stresses and strains of life.
• Great, I’m free and no longer a slave!
27 Jul 2021 20:15

DavidT

Did you ever try to "Build and Maintain Motivation" Using the CBA Worksheet (Cost-Benefit Analysis Tool) ?

Use this informative paper-and-pencil tool to see what your behaviors are costing you as well as what they are providing you.

Divide your paper into four squares, and label the squares for each of the questions below, and list your answers. Then consider if you are getting the results you’re looking for, of if change might be something to consider.

1. What do I enjoy about my addiction, what does it do for me (be specific)?

List as many things as you can that you liked about whatever you are/were addicted to.

a. Where possible, find alternative ways of achieving the same goals.
b. Recognize positive thinking about the addiction as a potential relapse warning sign.
c. Realize that there are some things you liked about the addiction you will have to learn to live without.
d. List what you enjoy about your addiction so you can ask yourself if it is really worth the price. e.

Realize that you aren’t stupid; you did get something from your addiction. It just may not be working on your behalf anymore.

2. What do I hate about my addiction, what does it do to me (give specific examples)?

List as many of the bad, undesirable results of your addiction as you can. Here it is extremely important that you use specific examples. Specific examples have much greater emotional impact and motivational force!

a. Ask yourself honestly “If my addiction was a used car, would I pay this much for it?”
b. Review this list often, especially if you are having a lot of positive, happy thoughts about all the great things your addiction did for you.

3. What do I think I will like about giving up my addiction?

List what good things you think/fantasize will happen when you stop your addiction.

a. This provides you with a list of goals to achieve and things to look forward to as a result of your new addiction free lifestyle.
b. This list also helps you to reality test your expectations. If they are unrealistic, they can lead to a disappointment based relapse.

4. What do I think I won’t like about giving up my addiction?

List what you think you are going to hate, dread or merely dislike about living without your addiction.

a. This list tells you what kinds of new coping skills, behaviors and lifestyle changes you need to develop in order to stay addiction free.
b. It also serves as another relapse warning list. If all you think about is how much life sucks now that you are not doing your addiction, you are in a relapse thought pattern that is just as dangerous as only focusing on what you liked about your addiction.

21 Jul 2021 17:34

Yoina mutzhoo

ADHD is a direct lead to addiction. or better say they both derived from the same source.
Category: Break Free
19 Jul 2021 02:10

Smokey

easy wrote on 04 May 2021 11:58:
so why isnt this suggested by a therapist when you go see him and talk about addiction.
i have seen three therapist before this one, one of them an addiction "specialist" and none of them have suggested this.

in ADHD there is no one size fits all, I was only recently diagnosed with sever adhd, bh I finally found a great psychiatrists (on my 4th one!) and a great therapist to help control and manage it but so far no medication seems to work for me, I've tried Adderall, Vyvanse, concerta, Strattera. Ritalin and Focalin and so far no positive results from any, like my psychiatrist told me "its a game of trialing and error and you just have to find the right one that works for you" regarding why nobody mentioned to you Concerta, Adderall is known to be way stronger so if that working decently I wouldn't try out concerta in hopes that it's better, also even with the right medication, you almost will never have that it takes away your adhd completely like antibiotics, the medication with a combination of therapy, and I would highly recommend exercise also-all in tandem will help you channel and control your adhd and help you be the best person of yourself, and of course when you have your adhd under control and you understand yourself your hopefully your fight against lust will be much more manageable, I love connecting with fellow ADHD'ers so keep posting how its going!
Category: What Works for Me
19 Jul 2021 00:41

easy

i was debating posting here or on the quest for 90 days.
bh been clean 29 days it is the second "big" chunk since I've been on Adderall. in the middle i had lots of falls. so its not an automatic solution(like i felt during the first time of about 30 days clean).  i got my wife, with the help of our therapist, to talk to my in-laws about putting a password on their computer. bh that's been tremendously helpful. it seems like Adderall gives me the emotional boost to live life and not just be waiting for the next opening for porn. the harder part for me is the M as it isnt connected to a computer and I am always with me. bh i have managed for now. lets hope this can continue.
Category: What Works for Me
15 Jul 2021 15:02

YeshivaGuy

cordnoy wrote on 18 Dec 2014 09:44:
Which of these bothers you the most?
Do any of those make your life unmanageable?
Can you live with any of them?
Are you addicted to any?

The Poll question, however, is simply: Which of these are you the 'most' worried about?

[It's also possible that the answer can change in time, based upon many factors.]

Thanks

U can still take the poll!
Category: Introduce Yourself
15 Jul 2021 07:23

Smokey

Amazing! Very inspiring, I’m so happy for you.

It’s so important and crucial that you blocked those sites.

 


thanks! yes I am so happy for myself, I cant even believe that I actually did it because was so addicted to it and litterly lived my life on it, but bh here I am
Category: Introduce Yourself
14 Jul 2021 13:15

Taharat Yisrael

Its by email? Is it only for people addicted to porn or is also for guys like me who struggle mainly with just זרע לבטלה without regular access to unfiltered internet.
Category: Introduce Yourself
13 Jul 2021 17:44

Trouble

DavidT wrote on 13 Jul 2021 16:52:
Lust addiction is like an "allergy".
We have to understand that lust addicts are crippled in this area. They have an ALLERGY to lust. If someone is allergic to peanuts and he eats them anyway, his face will blow up. There's nothing he can do about it, he will never be able to "control" his allergic reaction; all he can do is avoid the peanuts in the first place. When a lust addict is faced with a trigger, he is powerless and will be pulled into it. An addict will never be able to CONTROL his addiction, i.e. his allergic reaction to lust.

Gee, thanks
13 Jul 2021 16:52

DavidT

Lust addiction is like an "allergy".
We have to understand that lust addicts are crippled in this area. They have an ALLERGY to lust. If someone is allergic to peanuts and he eats them anyway, his face will blow up. There's nothing he can do about it, he will never be able to "control" his allergic reaction; all he can do is avoid the peanuts in the first place. When a lust addict is faced with a trigger, he is powerless and will be pulled into it. An addict will never be able to CONTROL his addiction, i.e. his allergic reaction to lust.
13 Jul 2021 14:29

Taharat Yisrael

I hope I understand you correctly. Your saying someone who's an addict has it harder when interacting with girls? I'd think they're more desensitized?
13 Jul 2021 13:44

DavidT

You raised a good point. 
A lust addict has a disability. His mind has been warped to objectify people. He suffers from neediness and vulnerability, and is sometimes prone to depression. He is also limited the range of his activities ifhe wants to stay sober. He can't just "lust a little" and stay safe like everyone else. He has difficulties being around certain people at Simchos and outings etc.

But even healthy people need to keep strong fences as the Ohr Hachaim teaches us,  (Acharei Mos, 18:2) "As long as one does not stay away from looking, even if he stays away from thinking about it, he will not be able to control himself and rid himself of the inevitable desire. And if one does not distance himself from thinking about these things, his thoughts will also force him to seek out and lust after the deed."
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