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15 Oct 2015 00:52
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Markz
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INDEX
1. Success Stories ⇓
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2. Polls ⇓
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3. Important Links ⇓
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Important Threads
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4. Recovery ⇓
5. Life Situations ⇓
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6. Chizuk ⇓
7. Audio ⇓
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Welcome Aboard: I'd like the first few pages of this thread to be publicly shared / traded. My intent is to include universal trucking tips many guys can benefit from - that aren't found (yet) in 30 tool secti on.
Please Comment: I'm open to any input. If there's something in the first pages that you'd like to add or comment on, please do so right here
Keep on Trucking!!!
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12 Oct 2015 16:41
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Mesayin
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Keep on trucking ChaimChaim.
Don't feel down on yourself for falling, falling is inevitable especially in this area.
The challenge is to get back up.
Chazak v'emutz
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31 Aug 2015 19:28
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newaction
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Palti-Yossef wrote:
I spent my holidays in mountains with religious people. I understood I'm unique to Hachem and I have my own way to walk. Not imitate people I see strong and not searching for others approbation. I study more and try to be very regular to the minyanim. Things seems to get clearer day by day and Hachem is opening the doors one by one bH. Tomorrow I return in university, no doubts it's for my goodness and Hachem will be there with me, as mentioned in Ps.23 !
Wow !! You sound terrific !! Very impressive ! Keep On Trucking friend !
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23 Aug 2015 23:09
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cordnoy
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Gevura Shebyesod wrote:
I was at a couple of Simchos this weekend, and at each I searched in vain for the Woodford (I always look for it, but then I'm too scared to take any, what if someone notices and realizes the significance?). But at each simcha I found another bourbon, which said on the label that it was made in "Bardstown KY 40004".
So I made a silent L'Chaim for the Rebbe (Sheyachzor Veyisgale Lonu Bimheiro Biyomeinu Omain!!!) and his holy truckers Chassidim. I hope nobody overheard as I whispered "Keep on Trucking...."
BTW that sounds like the perfect name for the GYE musical group we were going to form. "Rebbe Bards and the Holy Truckers Band".
Here's the lineup so far:
Vocals - Zemmy
Guitar - TehillimZugger
Drums - Gibbor120
Pyrotechnic effects - Noorah
anyone else?
We've got plenty of trucks to shlep our gear around, and I have a tour bus, thanks to Alex.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
We now have plenty of guitars to go around!
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23 Aug 2015 15:23
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stillgoing
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Am I allowed to post on this thread, or is it only for Shteeble? I feel like I'm desecrating it by changing the picture...
Shteeble
Be sure to pick a username that is meaningful to you. Keep in mind that this is what your friends (your support team people) are going to call you.
Just imagine this...
Dear OyICan'tThinkOfANameRightNow,
I just finished reading your post, and I want to show you some support......
or...
Dear R' Oy,
Keep on posting.... let me know.... keep on trucking... don't get down... daven...
Dear Can't Think,
Ok you get the message!
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11 Aug 2015 01:12
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Hashivalisesonyishecho
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newaction wrote:
just pointing out that Dov's post cuts straight threw flesh and soul. And when i am honest with myself i can not disagree with him .
Keep On Trucking Holy Brother , a day at a time.!
Then for the sake of perfect h onesty you need to face the fact that you aren't following him exactly as he says it. You d on't go to meetings. But I think that you are wise to realise that you can take his message and learn from it and follow it in the way which is appropriate for you and which works for you. You do have people with whom you are completely h onest and that is in following with what Dov is saying. I was also motivated to this by Dov and for that I am grateful to him. I see now that you and others here are saying basically what I have been meaning to say in the this discussi on, that a very important part of the 12 step program is the fact that you are h onest with others and you are working through the issues with others in a c ontext of h onesty. jack wrote:
of course, you need the group support - we can't do it alone.in fact, in my humble opinion, the group support is THE most important aspect of the 12 step meetings.other people that share your struggles, all there trying to recover.it's absolutely amazing! r' twersky writes about the CEO of a major corporation sitting next to a bowery alcoholic in an AA meeting.outside, they are worlds apart.but in that meeting, they are on the same level, trying to recover from alcoholism.can you beat that? the love that one feels when they go to these meetings is really beautiful.it's like a holocaust survivors club - they know each other's pain in a way that no-one else does, and so they are united.or ANY group support meeting - the idea is the same.one cant do recovery alone.
jack
But the most important thing for every one is to make sure that what you are doing is working. If it isn't then search and d on't stop searching until you find what works for you. There is certainly a way which will work and there may be no Yiush whatsoever.
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10 Aug 2015 19:50
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newaction
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Thank you Hashiva very sweet from you. I get a lot of chizuk from you , very much appreciated.
Going back to our Inyan and whether it is relevant to you specifically , Dov's words deserve a lot of our עיון. Meaning there is a lot of what goes inside the addicts mind in them; especially the addicts from the frum and yeshivish community. It is worth noticing that honesty is one of the giants of recovery; meaning not withholding any secrets and being able to talk freely to another human being of all my defects, etc.
Honesty also means meet the person who is you. I am sure you are on that path , just pointing out that Dov's post cuts straight threw flesh and soul. And when i am honest with myself i can not disagree with him .
Keep On Trucking Holy Brother , a day at a time.!
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08 Aug 2015 22:33
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newaction
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Hashivalisesonyishecho wrote:
I think that Newaction's ideas are great but they will work ONLY if he has a commitment to either a group or sponsor or the like which will create constant immersion in the new way of life. Otherwise the aitzos are like a musar vaad. He has this and he does this, but he refuses to say that THAT is really the key to his recovery - the fact that he is LIVING in recovery. I'm sure Dov would agree that if someone reads the entire big book and understands the concepts but doesn't join some sort of group, just the knowledge won't do the trick. I am saying this berabim on the forum because I think it is of utmost importance to everyone.
The hope that I have that my new approach might work isn't only because I found it in a Torah source, but because it is done with accountability to another person and to the program. I think that this is a very important aspect of any program that works, including 12 steps.
Chevra please understand then point that I am making because I think it is crucial.
My dear Hashiva if you found a way or THE way for your recovery , I would be more than glad really. Just to remind you that i am still struggling,especially in my relati onships; and of course with that stupid attracti on women have on my pers on. The attracti on is always here in a relentlessly way. Sometimes it is easier,sometimes it feels like an electric powered magnet and sometimes i feel i am riding on a rodeo horse about to throw me off the saddle and i have to hold dearly on to it. My north is, looking at women is not a luxury i can have.Just like the first sip for the alcoholic.The first sip becomes a slip becomes a fall. I give looking at women the same gravity as a full fledged fall.This is me according to my books , and its a good advise to any one involved in this struggle. Hatzlacha in your journey. Keep On Trucking.
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07 Aug 2015 07:47
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newaction
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Hashivalisesonyishecho wrote:
We spoke about the seriousness of not sinning and that one should give away all of his possessions rather than commit a single transgression. We discussed this at length.
So you ask why is this helpful? The answer is that we really need chizuk in knowing how much damage we do to ourselves when we chas vesholom fall
My "chizuk" to you is that this sounded more like a musar vaad; which it is not bad at all and if this helps you go ahead with it. But this is nothing new that i did not know all my life and still was involved with what i was involved; it did not help me. By the way the pers on who i sp onsor because his shmiras enayim is very weak if any at all. Is a Talmid Chacham that can quote all Chazal"s and rish onim ,achar onim on the subject. And that he himself gives shiurim on...shmiras enayim. But he's hooked in such a way that all this knowledge does not come to his help when a plain female bicycle rider passes by.
I need to know first that Hashem Almighty Loves me endlessly without regard whether i do mitzvos or sins. I have a malady of the spirit , soul and body.This malady has specific ways to deal with it. Now , for a lot of people the spiritual 12 step program is the only medicine. Maybe you are am ong this group of people maybe not. But if you are like i believe i am. Sinning and damage and pegamim and The suffering of the shechina and the length of the golus and the many tragic deaths , etc. Is not what i have to hear. It will not help me and it will not promote a change of pers onality (or psyche). I need to change my "pers ona".
All of this was meant for chizuk Hashivali not for the opposite. If it makes you feel uncomfortable for any reas on just discard it. Keep On Trucking ! (זה העיקר)
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20 Jul 2015 21:52
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newaction
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You wrote a long post there and things are not that simple . First and foremost you deserve our full recognition of your valor and heroism . You are in this struggle with all your force and will , and that is already admirable. Kol Hakavod !
About what you said that you dont know why you want to stop. The main reason is always you and your life; not the life of a present wife let alone a future one. Plain and simple your life is unmanageable ,period. You cant have control of your life. With that you have more than one reason to have and feel the desperate need to stop.
Your sobriety is not only sobriety , it is your freedom ; your conquering of your own self. without sobriety you are subdued , a slave with a master giving him orders.
That is bad news. You want to get orders only from The Master of the world. So by giving your life and your will to Him , Hashem gives you back your freedom. That simple and i admit not that easy.
We trust you Palti you can do it , you have all the capabilities , the will and tenacity to succeed , keep on trucking and your good work. Learn from your mistakes , revamp the program and all its tools , pick up your self and look ahead you will reap the fruits of all your efforts and suffering , HATZLACHA !
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12 Jul 2015 11:40
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cordnoy
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mattlanta wrote:
Thanks for the glossary! I was up all night tonight which usually is a guaranteed recipe for acting out. I restrained again tonight with H's merciful assistance. But I came to a bit of an epiphany about my triggers. I've been wondering for the longest time what allows my YH to win. BH, I'm not attracted to other women. I don't get lustful when I'm out on the streets. It seems to be more a function of stam boredom. So, tonight, instead of doing things that would have been difficult to stop, I got up and did all the dishes from Shabbos. I also took out the trash and did a few other things around the house. This has the added benefit of shalom bayis.
I had to be at work at 6:15 this morning, so I came in at 4:15 since I was up. While here, I noticed a poll about what worries you or triggers you. It seems that most people are triggered by people whereas I'm triggered by abject boredom. Am I alone? Are there others who have this issue? Are the strategies different for dealing with the urges?
I really suspect I'm not alone, but I could really use the validation, if nothing else.
In the meantime, I'm gonna keep on trucking
Boredom can be a trigger, but some may say that if that's your main one, it is easier to c ontrol.
Did you like that poll?
Bhatzlachah
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12 Jul 2015 09:22
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mattlanta
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Thanks for the glossary! I was up all night tonight which usually is a guaranteed recipe for acting out. I restrained again tonight with H's merciful assistance. But I came to a bit of an epiphany about my triggers. I've been wondering for the longest time what allows my YH to win. BH, I'm not attracted to other women. I don't get lustful when I'm out on the streets. It seems to be more a function of stam boredom. So, tonight, instead of doing things that would have been difficult to stop, I got up and did all the dishes from Shabbos. I also took out the trash and did a few other things around the house. This has the added benefit of shalom bayis.
I had to be at work at 6:15 this morning, so I came in at 4:15 since I was up. While here, I noticed a poll about what worries you or triggers you. It seems that most people are triggered by people whereas I'm triggered by abject boredom. Am I alone? Are there others who have this issue? Are the strategies different for dealing with the urges?
I really suspect I'm not alone, but I could really use the validation, if nothing else.
In the meantime, I'm gonna keep on trucking
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08 Jul 2015 19:51
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neshamaincharge
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I'm addicted to taking the easy road. When the going gets tough, I look for a couch.
Ever since I started with GYE, it has had a ripple effect on my entire life- and I am trying to become a person that takes on challenges rather than running away from them like I've always done.
I would like to have a thread where we can share our thoughts, feelings, victories and struggles related to this issue. Hopefully, it can be a chizuk to all.
KOTU!
Keep on trucking uphill!
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07 Jul 2015 14:45
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Gevura Shebyesod
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Pidaini wrote:
...to just keep on Trucking one foot in front of the other!
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I guess your truck looks something like this...
[spoiler][/spoiler]
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07 Jul 2015 07:44
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Pidaini
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WOW!! What a loaded question!!
I think that was the hardest thing that I had to deal with when I was clean for around 8 months, and that is ultimately where the slipping started almost a year ago now!!
I think this is a fundamental challenge, one of great importance and it goes to our core......Who am I? What am I looking for in life?
I know for me that I never really answered the question and obviously never took action to get closer to where I really wanted to be.
Once I have the answer, I have to remember that a goal is one thing, and the journey, another. I have to take it slowly, one day at a time. I can clock my progress but not get complacent, to just keep on Trucking one foot in front of the other!
Of course, you should also realize that this is a sure sign that you are really sobering up, this is the ultimate withdrawal of "lust", the removing of the band aid and actually feeling the wound.
KUTGW!!!!!!
KOMT!!!!!
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