These are some posts that were made to a link to Breaking Free Board, "anybody out there" thread by Confidence
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www.guardyoureyes.org/forum/index.php?topic=2590.0 This was a really amazing thread for me to read, and really spoke to me.
These are some of the posts that I want to save for myself so I can re-read them when I need them. Maybe they'll speak to someone else. I don't know if this is an ok thing to do because I haven't seen anybody do it, but it has reminders for me of important stuff.
DesertLion wrote on 03 Jun 2010 21:59:
Hey Ahron,
I think it's good that you don't allow falls to retard your progress anymore. There's nothing worse than falling and feeling uspet, and then spiralling downwards into the addictive cycle again.
However, I do have to warn you that just because you aren't feeling or seeing any serious consequences at present, it doesn't mean that the situation will remain so rosy forever.
It took me eight years to go from being totally confident of success in every department, to wallowing at rock bottom. What I'm trying to say is that you don't end up in hell overnight, but if you keep on making the wrong decisions it's really not difficult to mess up a life. Trust me I've been there and it's somewhere I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to be.
For your sake, I hope that you don't have to hit rock bottom like me in order to accept the truth. There's no third way mate: we either climb up to heaven or rapidly slide downwards to hell.
TC and KUTGW,
DL
Some words from Dov...
dov wrote on 11 Jun 2010 17:34:
I do not subscribe to Rav Twerski's whole emphasis on consciously working toward self-esteem. Perhaps it is a great idea for non-addicts to help save them from getting entangled in dependency...but once I got in, working on self-esteem was like spitting in the wind. I
am naturally disgusted with myself
as an addict and that's that.
Now, I need to be sober so I do not lose everything and die in shame as many others have, and
in the meantime, it seems I have gained a considerable measure of self-esteem...I feel that it was a gift. Maybe it's semantics, maybe not. All I know is that the other way doesn't work for me. I basically threw my life away for lust - and believe it would be just plain dishonest for me to demand of myself that every step of recovery be filtered through the lens of self-worth and esteem. I dumped that stock when it plummeted to zero and will not buy it back.
I am an addict in recovery and I choose to believe that, at least for me, self-esteem is a gift from Hashem, period. Being directly concerned with growing and maintaining it would have stymied me completely, I think. See...I
still think too much ! (I think)
shmiras wrote on 27 Jun 2010 07:42:
I like your questions and philosophizing. I enjoy doing it myself. I have however changed my mehalech over the past few years. Although I am naturally a thinker, I find that thinking too deeply into anything is sure to cripple instead of help. In fact, thinking itself is potentially an excuse not to just DO. By waiting until we determine the best way to act, or the reasons behind why we do something or want to do something, we are effectively holding ourselves back. Nothing wrong with knowing the reasoning behind things, but not at the expense of doing. Doing, is real tachlis. Thinking comes after that, even though that sounds counter-intuitive. Right now, we need to determine exactly what is healthy for us to do, namely get up and move on if you ever do something that is improper. Not to dwell on the past. I've found that not dwelling on the why's until thw what's have been taken care of is extremely effective. Move on. Then, if you'd like, think about what would help more in the future. But holding off from actual upward movement and growth due to thoughts, is effectively just a great excuse to not work until we've determined the 'real' answers. I think nike says it right - just do it - DO what you need to. After that, philosophy is fine.
For your sake, I hope that you don't have to hit rock bottom like me in order to accept the truth. There's no third way mate: we either climb up to heaven or rapidly slide downwards to hell.
dov wrote on 27 Jun 2010 21:12:
I have discovered that mental masturbation (thinking too much about anything) is just another form of lust for some me.
There is an alternative, and it leads to a life that finally makes sense, and that actually works for a change. But it takes Divine assistance (at least for me):
We cannot
think ourselves into right-living. We can only
live ourselves into right-thinking.
a boy once asked his father at the zoowhy the elephant didn't just uproot the fence and run away. thinking it was a good question the two decided to ask the zookeeper. his asnwer was "when the elephant was a newborn, he tried over and over to uproot the fence. all those memories of failure and frustration have remained with him until his adulthood preventing him from realizing his own potential."
dov wrote on 28 Jun 2010 04:53:
No...my veering away from thinking is not to get rid of my thoughts at all - it is to get me out of the driver's seat. To not be fooled into thinking that it will be
my thoughts that will 'make' change happen in me.
Think your behind off (I don't recommend that literally) - but seperate the outcome from your planning and machinations. He runs the show, period. Once that sits well with you, then letting go a bit more will start to feel OK. And the burden lightens.
Dubno maggid a"h: A guy is sitting with a bunch of people in a wagon, his heavy package slung over his shoulder. It's hot out. A peasant asks why this fellow is shouldering his load. "Put it on the floor," he suggests. We all answer the peasant, "It wouldn't be nice to put the burden on the horse - after all, he is
already carrying me - the least I can do is hold up my own luggage!"
"Fool," he says to us, "the horse
is already pulling you
and your package! Stop insisting
you are in control, put down the burden, and just let Him do his job!"
V'hameivin yovin.
Confidence wrote on 16 Jun 2010 18:04:
As i was once told by silentbattle, my addiction has placed me in a battlefield, with bullets flying by my right and my left. I am running towards safety, but in the process I feel a nick at the back of my leg. Do I stop and check the wound in the middle of the battlefield? of course not! Only once in the safe zone can I treat the wound. My life is still at stake out here, so theres not time for caring for minor wounds.