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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 14:24 #301060

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eslaasos wrote on 21 Sep 2015 18:12:
Hi, my name is *** and I'm working on egotism

Actually, I have been been introduced to a lot of new realizations by some of the people here. As Rabbi Twerski says, AA is a self-improvement program, and there are many middos (character flaws for those who like to keep this out of the Torah/mussar realm) that are associated to addictive behavior of any kind.

The topic that most recently perked my interest is sincerity and egotism (see previous posts about motivation for Teshuva which was part of it).
Having been escaping from reality for a long time, I was not even aware how egotistical I had become, and I am at the very beginning of the long road to selflessness, real self-esteem, true generosity (not just how much I gave to tzedakah though that's also a good thing), and whatever else is the opposite of egotism that I don't yet know about.

I'm not sure how to get there, but common sense says to start by searching out opportunities to do for others, and not let anyone know about it. It's only a start because I'm still enjoying the feeling that I'm a good guy.

I have a good friend who is a psychologist (hey, if you're on here I'll let you decide whether to let me know about it, but only if you tell me your username - fair's fair). He has a philosophy based on the Mishna in Avos - If you learnt a lot of Torah, don't think it makes you a tzaddik, because that was what you were supposed to have done i.e. you're not supposed to obtain any emotional benefit from doing Mitzvos. It's like expecting a thank you from your father because you called to wish him a good night when he just gave you a $100,000.00 for a down payment.

This morning a guy in shul gave me a random compliment. In the moment, I noticed my response was to try and be self-deprecating, which just feels false, so I'm trying to figure out the correct response. I'm clueless, so as always all tips are welcome.

I guess it's easier to know the correct external response to an insult - externally no response. Internally is a little more tricky. When we're young we're told (at least I was)
that it's the other guy who has a self-esteem problem, so you can feel sorry for him. Isn't that also putting down the other guy to resolve your own hurt, albeit keeping it in your head? And don't we come back to the same issue of mentally patting yourself on the back for being the "bigger guy" and not responding?

Also I started noticing the difference in different posts here - some of them almost never refer to themselves, whereas mine have an embarrassing amount of references to "I', "myself", "me" etc. I'm beginning to think it's a telling difference.

Try again - Hi, my name is *** and I'm an egotist-aholic.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 15:41 #301071

I agree, Mark, that we should all be "friends on this forum that ALL are only here
to share our travels together and give each other a daily boost"

The problem is that many, many times I am not feeling a boost,
after reading someone's post to me.
I'm feeling criticized and told I'm doing something wrong.
I've even been continually "reprimanded" and given -1s for opening up
and sharing my honest feelings and experiences. Isn't that ridiculous!?

I've never said that I'm perfect, selfless, always act properly, in control of my emotions, or super-strong.
In fact, I'm here because I am trying to break a very bad habit and I'm weak,
and looking for some help and encouragement on my journey to breaking free.
This forum should be a friendly place, not a place where I always feel I need 
to justify my feelings. Can my personal experience and feelings, with all of my 
weaknesses and failings and contradictions, actually be invalid or wrong?? NO, of course, they can't.

I am very open to helpful suggestions, and have acted on many of them.
I don't intend to leave before reaching at least 90-days clean.
But I would like my time here to not feel so adversarial.
If you are my friends, then please respond in a way that I can receive and hear it.
If you are trying to make me feel like a selfish, egotistical, animal, who should just 
admit that he has an addiction, and get live help, and stop posting, then you are 
doing a great job. But I'm going to resist it, until I break, give up, and leave.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 15:57 #301076

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I feel for you, Yosef. I hear and understand the frustration.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 15:58 #301078

"Hi Yosef. Congratulations on your amazing commitment and progress. 

If I can offer a suggestion... when you come home and supper isn't ready, pitch in and help! You won't be bored, your wife will appreciate it, and you will be having even more quality time with the family. 

Stay chilled and enjoy some Wild Cold Turkey!  "

Thank you, Gevura. I will try that. It's a pretty good idea for the several reasons you mentioned.
Plus, I imagine that after a week or so of doing this, she (and the kids) will adapt to the new schedule 
and be all ready when I come home anyway, as others have mentioned. So, it's a short-term problem.
A l'chayim of cold wild turkey is in order! L'chayim and Happy Chanuka everybody!

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 19:55 #301100

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Watson wrote on 25 Dec 2016 15:57:
I feel for you, Yosef. I hear and understand the frustration.


I feel for him too, while just writing a rather forward post, but I think what he's asking for isn't what the active people really want to provide. As the newcomer, instead of telling people what the forum should be according to him, why doesn't he follow precedent and watch and follow the way things actually are?

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 19:58 #301101

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 25 Dec 2016 15:58:
"Hi Yosef. Congratulations on your amazing commitment and progress. 

If I can offer a suggestion... when you come home and supper isn't ready, pitch in and help! You won't be bored, your wife will appreciate it, and you will be having even more quality time with the family. 

Stay chilled and enjoy some Wild Cold Turkey!  "

Thank you, Gevura. I will try that. It's a pretty good idea for the several reasons you mentioned.
Plus, I imagine that after a week or so of doing this, she (and the kids) will adapt to the new schedule 
and be all ready when I come home anyway, as others have mentioned. So, it's a short-term problem.
A l'chayim of cold wild turkey is in order! L'chayim and Happy Chanuka everybody!

First of all, I can relate to the frustration. No one on this forum is an angel, besides for Gev, and we can say harsh things. You may feel judged, but they really mean the best for you.

Second of all, it matters not a bit if they adapt to your schedule. You do you and if others change, so be it. But working on yourself in order that others will change is something I've tried and it's frustrating as hell. I only found that others changed once I said "Screw them, I'm doing this for myself." Then a miracle happened. And I'm continually grateful for it. But I don't expect it. Expectation is the mother of frustration. You have obviously lived a certain way for all your life and it will take time to change. Progress not perfection. But I highly suggest you get a psychologist or a trained professional because from what I've seen, that's where your issues lie. But I'm just a lust addict, definitely not qualified.
If you're an LGBTQ or LGBTQ-questioning person and looking for someone who can understand you, feel free to reach out. I promise no judgement and to try and listen the best I can. 

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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 20:17 #301106

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Shlomo24 wrote on 25 Dec 2016 19:58:

Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 25 Dec 2016 15:58:
"Hi Yosef. Congratulations on your amazing commitment and progress. 

If I can offer a suggestion... when you come home and supper isn't ready, pitch in and help! You won't be bored, your wife will appreciate it, and you will be having even more quality time with the family. 

Stay chilled and enjoy some Wild Cold Turkey!  "

Thank you, Gevura. I will try that. It's a pretty good idea for the several reasons you mentioned.
Plus, I imagine that after a week or so of doing this, she (and the kids) will adapt to the new schedule 
and be all ready when I come home anyway, as others have mentioned. So, it's a short-term problem.
A l'chayim of cold wild turkey is in order! L'chayim and Happy Chanuka everybody!

First of all, I can relate to the frustration. No one on this forum is an angel, besides for Gev, and we can say harsh things. You may feel judged, but they really mean the best for you.

Second of all, it matters not a bit if they adapt to your schedule. You do you and if others change, so be it. But working on yourself in order that others will change is something I've tried and it's frustrating as hell. I only found that others changed once I said "Screw them, I'm doing this for myself." Then a miracle happened. And I'm continually grateful for it. But I don't expect it. Expectation is the mother of frustration. You have obviously lived a certain way for all your life and it will take time to change. Progress not perfection. But I highly suggest you get a psychologist or a trained professional because from what I've seen, that's where your issues lie. But I'm just a lust addict, definitely not qualified.

As I think before clicking the "thank you" button (for, to some, that means you agree with everythin'), here is a prime example where I'm at a crossroads. I agree with everythin' Shlomo said, and would have written exactly that, except I don't think I'm listened to here (and that's fine). The only issue I have is with your second to last sentence that he needs to see a professional. He might, but he might not.

Continued hatzlachah to all
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:09 #301117

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I'm personally a big fan of therapy, even if it's for a short while or not such a pressing issue. But everyone has their opinions. I appreciate the thank you.
If you're an LGBTQ or LGBTQ-questioning person and looking for someone who can understand you, feel free to reach out. I promise no judgement and to try and listen the best I can. 

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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:12 #301119

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Shlomo24 wrote on 25 Dec 2016 21:09:
I'm personally a big fan of therapy, even if it's for a short while or not such a pressing issue. But everyone has their opinions. I appreciate the thank you.

II am as well, but I don't push it on others.
 not sayin' you did.....
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:35 #301132

I'm not a big fan at all. I've tried going with my wife several times over the years.
Never met with any real success.
Often, not always, I think the people who go into therapy need it the most themselves.
Maybe, I just never found a good shaliach who could help me and my situation with my wife.
I have been extremely open to trying to improve things, like I said going to different people 
over the years. There are some real issues. This bad habit is certainly one of them. 
Also, I get the impression that my wife does not really want to see anyone that may ask of her to change.
She denies this, but whatever. Experience has shown otherwise. 
Also money is an issue, and would have to be worked out.
If you actually know of someone very matzliach and very good, 
you can email me. Cord has my email.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:48 #301135

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i feel the same as yosef but you are going the right way about it
very important thread: guardyoureyes.com/forum/20-Important-Threads/19180-FEEL-THE-HUGS%21%21%21" option="guardyoureyes.com/forum/20-Important-Threads/19180-FEEL-THE-HUGS%21%21%21">FEEL THE HUGS!!!
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:48 #301136

I started to listen to the Rav Simcha Feurman Choson Shiurim series.
He sounds real down to earth...and he said he speaks with 20 years counseling experience.
I will go through the whole series, bli neder, taking notes.
Maybe, I could email him my questions and comments, and really gain from it.

I know that HaShem gave my wife to me, and that dafka through
passing nisyonos being married to her, is how I can best grow.
But that doesn't make it any easier living day by day.
The way she acts toward me, makes it specifically harder to pass my nisayon with tyvah.
And in that way, she is not such a helpmate, but actually hurting me and setting me up for failure.
Why I am so honest, opening up with you guys, is beyond me.
I guess I believe that everyone here IS interested in trying to help me.
Just please respect my limitations.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Dec 2016 21:52 #301138

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 25 Dec 2016 21:35:
I'm not a big fan at all. I've tried going with my wife several times over the years.
Never met with any real success.
Often, not always, I think the people who go into therapy need it the most themselves.
Maybe, I just never found a good shaliach who could help me and my situation with my wife.
I have been extremely open to trying to improve things, like I said going to different people 
over the years. There are some real issues. This bad habit is certainly one of them. 
Also, I get the impression that my wife does not really want to see anyone that may ask of her to change.
She denies this, but whatever. Experience has shown otherwise. 
Also money is an issue, and would have to be worked out.
If you actually know of someone very matzliach and very good, 
you can email me. Cord has my email.

Organization in north America called relief.

They have good referrals.

In Israel, there's a fellow named Shlomo zalman jessel. He is good for different things.

There used to be a link here on top for a list of good therapists.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 26 Dec 2016 00:26 #301144

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I can attest to Rabbi Feuerman. He's excellent.
If you're an LGBTQ or LGBTQ-questioning person and looking for someone who can understand you, feel free to reach out. I promise no judgement and to try and listen the best I can. 

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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 26 Dec 2016 03:09 #301151

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One of the advantages for people like me about going to 12 step meetings is that as a general rule there is no cross talk. That means that I share what's on my mind and people don't respond with criticism, wisdom or advice. I have a sponsor and a sober network that I can go to for that on an individual basis. I also have a very specific program that works for me and for many others like me.  Some people need the chizuk and advice that can be found in these forums and for others it can be detrimental. I've only gone through pages of this thread and haven't rally read enough to know your story, if it's even in here. One of the comments I read is that you are reaching out to people here by email. Taking steps like that is something I can relate to as being helpful, particularly if the people you are talking to are people who you can relate to and they are actually in long term sobriety.

Hatzlacha, chaver

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