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Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 03:59 #246007

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Ok I'm going back to work tomorrow, my issue is I do business with ALOT of women due to the business that I'm in. Almost everyday I come across a women I find attractive. Now I feel that it's proper to look at someone in the face when speaking to them. Being the case I sometimes find my mind wandering about the female I am talking to. Please!!! Some advice of things that work for you when you are in a similar situation. I would really love to talk to them and not have my mind go "there". Thanks.

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 04:04 #246008

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Do you think of women or fantasize when there is no woman before you?
do you find yourself lustin' in general?
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Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 05:10 #246012

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i used to work with beautiful women for about ten years
direct sales for women customers
if you understand that they want your help in achieving whatever they want, and you focus on serving and giving them whatever it is they want to buy from you, however they dress is not dressed for you to amaze them, its just the way that they enjoy dressing, even when they dress attractively or even immodestly, its still not done for you to attract them, its just for them to make themselves feel good when dressed like that
every single women coming to you, has a goal of getting from you whatever they want, (by the way, its usually the other way around, the plain-looking women are down to earth people, with good communications, straight to the point people, and the dressy-smelly ones are usually all mixed up people, they dont know what they want, they need you to decide for them what they want)
also one more point, avoiding eye contact is a great help, it can be done bezras hashem
when going forward gets tough, its merely a sign that you are going uphill, just give more gas
put your sobriety first; before your wife, before your kids, before your avodas HaTorah (except for the 3 that are יעבור ואל יהרג) Without sobriety you won't have any of those things!

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 16:35 #246041

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I am not such a luster a little here and there once in a while I think in the normal realm.
I like the idea of realizing that the only reason they are in front of me is to do business and not to talk to me per se. I tried the no eye contact thing but I felt very unprofessional and to be honest I feel it's disrespectful.

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 18:54 #246044

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This is a good question. I would also like to hear some suggestions and thoughts

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 19:38 #246054

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Like you said, remember what you (and they) are there for, and stick to the mission at hand. Interact with them the same way you would anyone else, with respect. I don't see why you shouldn't make eye contact.

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 29 Dec 2014 19:39 #246055

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I think the answer lies in the rest of the day; not while the woman is before you.
If we are cleared from lustin' beforehand, talkin' to a woman will not bother us.
It is when we are still in the throes of lust that it becomes a problem.
What have we done to better ourselves?
If we look at her, and we idolize, objectify, fantasize, etc., we did not do our job beforehand.

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Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 03:38 #246138

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sometimes it might help to tell de wife:
honey i saw a very attractive lady today, i need you tonight please, it will help me
the main thing is, dont make the women objects! keep them as human beings
when going forward gets tough, its merely a sign that you are going uphill, just give more gas
put your sobriety first; before your wife, before your kids, before your avodas HaTorah (except for the 3 that are יעבור ואל יהרג) Without sobriety you won't have any of those things!

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 03:59 #246140

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Shmichel you May be right

But I'd like to maybe suggest another point of view to what your proposing, the wife might think after hearing that , so I'm only good as a pinch hitter after he's got himself all worked up.

Dunno maybe yeah maybe no. chanoch lnar al pe darko whatever works
Hashem these lustful thoughts are not mine I don't need them or want them please take them from me so I can live a happy and healthy life

Gotta roll with the punches or the punches will roll all over you

yesterday was
tomorrow will be
the only thing you can change is the moment you see

keep smiling and keep busy

"lust is fire to dynamite don't get close" from someone don't remember who

The worst thing i did to myself was lie to myself for 2 whole years

I try not to hate it takes way to much energy

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 05:22 #246148

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Shmichel, what about when wife is niddah?
Also I'd rather not get to the point of needing it so bad to admit to my wife I've been thinking about other women.

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 05:22 #246149

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That would be givin' in to lust, and like YTH said as well.
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Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 19:24 #246182

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I would say what works for me
Having less eye contact, I mean only less.
I think with time she will feel it, and she will get the hint if your really sincere.
I also try being Tachlis and to the point.
 *  NO, It's not all or nothing, just every bit counts!
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 *  Being curios made me lust and get into trouble.

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Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 30 Dec 2014 19:32 #246184

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thats a great start
may hashem help you reach your ultimate goal
when going forward gets tough, its merely a sign that you are going uphill, just give more gas
put your sobriety first; before your wife, before your kids, before your avodas HaTorah (except for the 3 that are יעבור ואל יהרג) Without sobriety you won't have any of those things!

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 31 Dec 2014 06:18 #246262

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Doingteshuva your right, if you truly don't want to, it's a lot easier.

Re: Doing business with women...what to do? 31 Dec 2014 08:17 #246268

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recovery is about livin' life.
That's what our aim should be.

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