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Re: Mikveh or not 02 Nov 2012 16:54 #147126

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mr. wrote on 02 Nov 2012 14:37:

Second point - If you have hasidic beliefs (or you learn kabbalah) you will be totaly spooked out by the prospect of not toiveling when needed, I know that if i need a mikva and can't get one i am OIS MENTCH


Woah....a little naive, no? Totally spooked out by 'knowing' what lack of tevilah does to a person?

The Kotzker used to say that people are careful not to eats nuts during aseres y'mei Teshuvah because "egoz" is the same genatria as "chet" (really it's off by one...nu). But why are they not careful not to do chet?

Same here (and I am not talking about you, but about your assumption). People getting spooked out by what the sforim say about kedusha being affected by a context of kli of tum'ah? That is all just romanticism and sentimentality mixed with paranoia - just a big mishega'as in us. For if we really cared about such things we would not get naked and masturbate ourselves to pornography. The sforim are talking all about details. The ikkar we do not stop - but the details we are free to get "all spooked out" about?

Such spooking I don't need. It's only function is to assuage my guilt at being a rosho by tricking me into thinking I really do care about spirituality - for "Look how I am carrying on and crying about death to the children, hair growing all over me, dying young, and giving more and more light of the Shechinah into the Klipos and stopping Moshiach from coming! I regret it so much!See how frum I really am! Don't judge me by when I unzip my pants and get to work - that's just an aberration."...sheesh. We all love to believe that our intentions prove what's really important to us more than our actions do. But that is just not true.

When I live that way, I am just being a real prusteh goy dressed in ultra-Jewish clothes. Very busy not eating nuts - while I speak loshon hora...ain't nuthin' there, boys.

We have enough of those walking around. You are certainly not one of those! Like I wrote before, the addicts are the ones who cannot make it with that life. The lucky ones, maybe.

So I suggest not taking kabolah that seriously - or maybe even seeing that in truth it is irrelevant for masturbaters. We believe in nudes far, far more than we believe in the Zohar. We do.

You can't fall when your laying on the ground. That's the starting point. Now up the ladder we go!

See the Divrei Chaim I quoted in an old post years ago (parshas Vayeitzei) where he tells a story from the BSh"T about a boy who threw a rock at the king. It in the hemshech of this idea.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: Mikveh or not 05 Nov 2012 21:40 #147281

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hey dove,

it's not b/c i know what happens when i don't mik, rather i just don't feel right (something akin to what one might feel going without a kapple?)

Peace brother, and may we soon be zoche to the coming of the 45th pesident.

Amen

he's a mormon... (MORMON? R U KIDDIN' ME? Obama's only a pinko yellowbellied socialist!)

Re: Mikveh or not 06 Nov 2012 18:21 #147322

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mr. wrote on 05 Nov 2012 21:40:

hey dove,

it's not b/c i know what happens when i don't mik, rather i just don't feel right (something akin to what one might feel going without a kapple?)


That is exactly how I feel about mikkie! We are like twin brothers!

...do you have a mole on your left knee and....oh, never mind.

Actually, I have arrived at the place that going to the mikkie is not something to fix myself for me at all, but a way to look prettier for Hashem. A present to him just to make nachas ruach. I believe this is more right w/the Torah and reality.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: Mikveh or not 06 Nov 2012 19:17 #147332

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dov wrote on 06 Nov 2012 18:21:



hey dove,

it's not b/c i know what happens when i don't mik, rather i just don't feel right (something akin to what one might feel going without a kapple?)


That is exactly how I feel about mikkie! We are like twin brothers!

...do you have a mole on your left knee and....oh, never mind.

Actually, I have arrived at the place that going to the mikkie is not something to fix myself for me at all, but a way to look prettier for Hashem. A present to him just to make nachas ruach. I believe this is more right w/the Torah and reality.


Mik is also prety darn geshmak!

5:30 am . dark as hades. alarm clock rings . get up. (YAH) wash nailwater. wake up havruta. don plaid scarve and step out intp the icey darkness as the stars twinkle brightly. (with any luck there will be a steady snow) walk briskly to the....

MIK! it is warm and inviting, I shower away the impurities of the night, scrub my movember mustache with head and shoulders.

I quickly slip into the ROASTING HOT MIK! FEEL THE HUGS AHHHHHHHHHH! God must really love me - this ROCKS!

I toivel away the yetse hara

I toivel away all the Z"l of the bygone years

I toivel away myself

I toivel the love of God onto me

I exit the waters and get a quick rub down with my plush fuul size towel

taking care to dry between my toes

I come to beth midrashce

my havrut is ready and waiting

I make a beautiful roasty toasty steaming cup of coffe and proceed to Hack shtikker ith my havrut until the day has dawned.


AH!

THAT is the way i relate to mik.



but remember it's more of a cookies and milk type of relationship

(it doesn't hurt that I know that the big Rabs and Kabs say it's a great thing to do)

Sure beats acting out, no?

Re: Mikveh or not 07 Nov 2012 04:54 #147371

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Yes it does! I relate absolutely, chabibi!
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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