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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 19:57 #107261

TheJester	Would you say that you are a black and white kind of guy - not clothing With respect to "right" and "wrong"?
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 20:07 #107264

Eye.nonymous OFFLINE Platinum Boarder Posts: 2696 Karma: 15	TheJester wrote on 29 May 2011 19:57: Would you say that you are a black and white kind of guy - not clothing With respect to "right" and "wrong"? Just as long as you're not blue about it. --Eye.
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 20:08 #107265

laagvokeles	TheJester wrote on 29 May 2011 19:57: Would you say that you are a black and white kind of guy - not clothing With respect to "right" and "wrong"? do u mean if my way of thinking is extreemist? or one corner or the other? if thats what u mean, than: not in all the issues... not at all....
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 21:02 #107278

TheJester	It's just that you feel that you need to get rid of all movies, porn, outside influences and make Teshuva - all simultaneously and rolled into one. And if you don't, then none of it counts for anything. I was wondering if you feel that way about things generally, or whether it is specific to this subject. You are certainly an interesting guy to get to know. Do you play chess?
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 21:19 #107280

laagvokeles

TheJester wrote on 29 May 2011 21:02:

It's just that you feel that you need to get rid of all movies, porn, outside influences and make Teshuva - all simultaneously and rolled into one. And if you don't, then none of it counts for anything.

"And if you don't, then none of it counts for anything" you make it sound, like its a עקשנות from my side.
but i quoted before the or hachaim. (this is a very complicated issue and very big one, its a shame to write a long megila about it, if u have a question about my way of thinking in this matter, be specific, and ill concentrate in the answer only in the point u made in the question)

i use to play once, long time no play.
and could be i wouldnt be good in it, cause im not good in making חשבונות what would u do if i would do and than u would do i would do and than u would do 8 times ahead....

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 21:31 #107284

TheJester	I am a man of business. You are a man of learning. I cannot possibly match your understanding of Ohr HaChaim. I would humbly request for you to give a very small shiur here to me (in your thread/house), so that I can fully appreciate it. If you feel like a break, come over to my house/thread and we'll play a game of your choosing.
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 21:53 #107287

laagvokeles

its when i see how ppl of bussines have so much what to offer, that i get tempted to through away my learning.... ;D

about the heavy stuff: :

Well woman are a very strong power over us, the or hachaim says we can only win the battle cause we are jews and with the help of the torah, without it forget it.

And tora, is tora, its like 2 plus 2 is 4 and not 3.9 You wanna have the tora in your site u gotta really do it as it is complete

Now speacking more “stake” more gashmiut :
for my mind to stay clean out of all this nesecities (movies etc) I got to stay connected to hashem fully, cause if I am just doing a bit, meaning: I don’t watch at woman but I speak lashom hara, it means im not really his slave, meaning, im not really careful about what he wants from me or not, so what happens is; that the second I get my lust attack I just go for it, be cause he aint really my boss….

But if i decide im his slave and I don’t even speack lashon hara, well for a few reasons the lust attack is not gonna overcome me, 1) im not even really supposed to get a lust attack cause I am in constant been busy meaning my head is or davening or learning or reading, but never just circuling around 2) and in case I did got a lust attack (cause I am a addict or cause I am human) I still have more power than usual cause I am his slave and I don’t do things he dosnt let.

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:06 #107289

TheJester

laagvokeles wrote on 29 May 2011 21:53:

Well woman are a very strong power over us, the or hachaim says we can only win the battle cause we are jews and with the help of the torah, without it forget it.

When you say "the battle" - what exactly does this mean? Perfection in every way? Trying our best?

And tora, is tora, its like 2 plus 2 is 4 and not 3.9 You wanna have the tora in your site u gotta really do it as it is complete

How many people do you know "do it as it is complete" in reality? By the way - being truthful, whom do you really, really respect?

for my mind to stay clean out of all this nesecities (movies etc) I got to stay connected to hashem fully, cause if I am just doing a bit, meaning: I don’t watch at woman but I speak lashom hara, it means im not really his slave, meaning, im not really careful about what he wants from me or not, so what happens is; that the second I get my lust attack I just go for it, be cause he aint really my boss….

So how have you tried (and failed) in the past? And what (if any) are your ideas for the future?

its when i see how ppl of bussines have so much what to offer, that i get tempted to through away my learning....

My dear friend. Look at it from my perspective. What wouldn't I give to be able to throw away my work, and learn all day?

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:23 #107291

laagvokeles

TheJester wrote on 29 May 2011 22:06:

laagvokeles wrote on 29 May 2011 21:53:

Well woman are a very strong power over us, the or hachaim says we can only win the battle cause we are jews and with the help of the torah, without it forget it.

When you say "the battle" - what exactly does this mean? Perfection in every way? Trying our best?

we will never ever be able to look at a woman freely, never.
and we will always have temptations.
But if hashem helps us, we can manage never to look, to be able to kick away from our heads a bad thaught, the sec it came in. We can be pure.

And tora, is tora, its like 2 plus 2 is 4 and not 3.9 You wanna have the tora in your site u gotta really do it as it is complete

How many people do you know "do it as it is complete" in reality? By the way - being truthful, whom do you really, really respect?

lets say that i dont know, any body, so?

who do i respect besides mesi and david villa? mmmmm rabbi chaim kanievsky

So how have you tried (and failed) in the past? And what (if any) are your ideas for the future?
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well..... שבע יפול צדיק וקם
and thats why my name is לעג וקלס (you uderstand lashon hakodesh?)

also i never managed to keep a hermetical closed wall without averot, i get tired and than i start not to be carefool about lashon hara, daven with a minyan, getting angry at someone who upsets me....
my plan for the future? wow, no plan man, just waiting to get the gots to try again for the 1000000000000 time

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:34 #107293

TheJester

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But if hashem helps us, we can manage never to look, to be able to kick away from our heads a bad thaught, the sec it came in. We can be pure.
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(1) Is the achievable?
(2) How can it be achieved?

lets say that i dont know, any body, so?

So how do others live - what makes you different that you feel like you are failing, whereas they feel that they are not? Or am I wrong?

who do i respect besides mesi and david villa? mmmmm rabbi chaim kanievsky

Soccer fan, eh?

well..... שבע יפול צדיק וקם
and thats why my name is לעג וקלס (you uderstand lashon hakodesh?)

I read and translate it better than I understand it. I think I lose a lot of context, unless I'm "in" it and I know what is going on when I translate it. It does not come naturally, like English.

also i never managed to keep a hermetical closed wall without averot, i get tired and than i start not to be carefool about lashon hara, daven with a minyan, getting angry at someone who upsets me....
my plan for the future? wow, no plan man, just waiting to get the gots to try again for the 1000000000000 time

I'll give you points for persistence. But will you try something achievable? Something different? Or the same "right" thing?

Would anyone go into battle without a plan of attack? Would anyone go into battle with a proven losing plan?

Then again - what are our choices really? Do we have any?

Life is complicated.

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:44 #107295

laagvokeles

for sure its achievable, if i would only have the strength of a bull! if i would feel a gunn in my head, that if i fail i get shot, wouldnt i manage? if i would be a good jew and feel the presence of hashem, isnt it like the gun on my head?
im just a bad jew with not enough will (i have a trememdous will, but porn has a lot what to say too....)

how do others live? do i care? or good or bad...
this is what it supoused to be. (complete slave to the tora)

and even i fell 10000000 times im not sure its not a good plan.... did i manage in any other issue like gelousy, stress etc? i dont manage in any bad behaviour to do teshuva neither in porn, dos it mean i am wrong with the aproach? or dos it mean next time i gotta do it even better...?

i agree that i want to stop even by a diffrent plan.
but to meet with ppl live (sa meetings) etc, its not even a smallest option

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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:50 #107297

TheJester	So one day soon, let's talk about what is realistically achievable, and available to us both to become happier people. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe next week. Maybe next month. Sound good?
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Re: we all want to be good 29 May 2011 22:53 #107299

laagvokeles	are u a pshicolog? u r way too good
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Re: we all want to be good 30 May 2011 01:53 #107308

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dov wrote on 25 May 2011 21:48:

laagvokeles wrote on 25 May 2011 18:12:

gggg

there is no more chance for me to get caught than a car should run me over, thats all im saying.
life is dangerous, but we gotta live it.... ill not cross the street cause of a car? ill not porn cause ill get caught? ill not fly by a plain cause its gonna crash?
YES i will do all that, and ill do all in my power not to die and not to get caught

Porn has made a stupid ass (the king james bible kind) out of you. Plain and simple.

You think something I said to you or posted to you about getting caught was a "warning" or shaking a motherly finger at you. That's too bad, cuz it's not what I mean at all. I am stating facts. You will get caught. Your reputation is already destroyed. And the damage to your marriage, children, shul, and talmidim has already been done. I pity them all, for it is very painful discovering that the man who you held of and thought was pure...was really watching dirty videos and getting off when no one was looking. It hurts the people in our lives more than it hurts us.

I am not warning you or trying to stop you, for I believe that it is all shoin ub-gerett. I am not 'warning' you in hopes that you quit. I frankly do not care for saving your soul, at all, because such fantasies of power I do not believe - I am not the Master of the World, He is. And maybe I am like you - not such a nice guy. As I said before, kol me sh'ein bo deyah, ossur lerachem olov. And somebody like you who can go around like this with good people forever and go right back to the beginning...has no deyah yet.

I still love you, though you have no idea what it really means to love - because you do not even love your own wife yet. But I do not have rachmonus/pity on you. Rachmonus has no t'fisah on you yet. You do not seem to want rachmonus, but only whine like a girl about how hard it is for you. And I do not 'give a rat's lower intestine' for your pain - future, past, or present. It would only hurt you if I did, chaver.

Good luck.

I wrote you that a few days ago, but you were too busy writing about heavy metal.

I like this Jester guy. You like him too, but I think you like him the way a cat 'likes' a mouse...interesting to 'play' with and act sincere. He's a smart guy....But if you go around and around with him and burn him out like you played with others here, I will find out where you live and make you eat p'cha....bli-neder.

"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

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