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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:03 #107040

  • laagvokeles
[quote="TheJester" link=topic=3289.msg106962#msg106962 date=1306406744]
How about classical/Baroque - anything from that period?


i love it too, mainly the baroque cause its melodical, but i am ashamed to say that classical i only like also when its melodical but when it has a long piece wich is not so melodical, i have a feeling like the מחבר didnt have a clue how to full up his 10 min or more so he did one or to melodical pieces in his חיבור and the rest is just casue he has to have a 10 min long חיבור, my feeling... so again i love clasical music only when its melodical.
TheJester wrote on 26 May 2011 10:45:


So how did you manage to give up Goyishe music, but not movies?  Also, what particular kind of movies do you enjoy most?

i really wanna have ערלעכע יידישע קינדער it dosnt go with goish music on the house... its hard to keep cds at home....

TheJester wrote on 26 May 2011 10:45:


It is irresponsible to keep a pool without a gate or fence in your house if you have kids.  But it is a Mitzva to teach your kids to swim.  The alternative is to say that any body of water larger than a bathtub is assur...  But I respect that many Rabbonim who are far more learned than I am have pronounced it assur, and I therefore respect their opinion. 


liscen, a person that has a clear but very clear mind: i have to do the max I CAN to try my kids goals should be more toire mor mides etc, such person will keep hes children away from the internet, they dont need it now, and the danger zone is huge, so why risk it? True they are supoused to have responsability and u gotta teach them that, but man if one single time ONE time they saw the rong pop up man, one single time man..... even if they are responsable the outcome of a accident is huge.  Now swiming its a mitzva cause even its dangerous, but its even more dangerous if they will not know how to swim, the mashal is bad, by internet there is no דבר חיובי at all (besides entertainement , and less of a hadache for the parents cause the kids are bussey)

Now, ppl who  have no problem to have a time magazine at home (even the end of the magazine has cinema and culture....) and no problem to see the lion king, and the parents use the internet in front of the kids etc.... its a compleet other פרשה, in such case its maybe bad, not to let the kids safely use the internet, they will get upset, and also the parents wouldnt be able to explain why we can , and u cant, if i dont fo anything asur, why do the kids.... hakitzer its a diffrent parsha.



me3: i want to change


Serious question:  Why?


cause my all life would be eazier, i oficially have a life of a good jew, but i aint, so where am i the most of the day? in shul. what do u do in shul? you daven, and i hate it! hate it! why do i hate it? cause im a piece of tumah, so i have no connection with hashem or with tefila (to learn i enjoy)
besides the few times in my life when i was clean it was a tremendous joy, i was from inside more happy, i was calm, i knew im doing good, all this feelings are priceless
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:12 #107043

  • laagvokeles
oh i forgat about te movies question.
i like every kind of movie besides terror and musical.
they just have to be from good companies like
universal, milenium, fox, concorde,wb,disney,(sony) i probably forgat 1 or 2
i enjoy very much the way its filmed, diffrent companies usually even if the actors acted good, i get annoyed by the way they filmd it
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:16 #107046

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laagvokeles wrote on 26 May 2011 19:12:
i enjoy very much the way its filmed, diffrent companies usually even if the actors acted good, i get annoyed by the way they filmd it


Yeah don't you hate that when these film companies film the actors while they're dressed.
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:18 #107047

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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:21 #107048

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Dear Laag

I'm so sorry to hear that you hate davening and you feel no connection to Hashem, it must be ruining your life.....

So what do you think about sports? Follow hockey? Baseball?
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:31 #107051

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nahh... use too.... but today i dont have who to talk to about it... so it got cold...
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:34 #107054

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That may be a good thing to get in too - football (soccer in the usa)
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:51 #107061

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b'kitzur ah maaseh, vuss macht men?


Is today different than yesterday?

Will tomorrow be different than today?




How do you feel when davening: Al hatzadikim, v'al hachasidim..... v'sim chelkeinu imahem! ??

If we are omed b'nisayon for one second, ONE TIME that we don not look , for that moment we are in the category of Tzadikim!!



We ask Hashem for help that it should not be for just one second. that it should last FOREVER!!!!
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 19:59 #107068

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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 20:02 #107071

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Yosef How dare you make Laag feel bad! He feels bad enough about all the porn and stuff!

Now back to the movie / music discussion.....
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 20:02 #107073

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laagvokeles wrote on 26 May 2011 19:03:


i love it too, mainly the baroque cause its melodical, but i am ashamed to say that classical i only like also when its melodical but when it has a long piece wich is not so melodical, i have a feeling like the מחבר didnt have a clue how to full up his 10 min or more so he did one or to melodical pieces in his חיבור and the rest is just casue he has to have a 10 min long חיבור, my feeling... so again i love clasical music only when its melodical.


I actually agree with you - I don't touch very much after 1850 - and I also find Mozart overrated.  But I guess all that is behind you now, so there is little point tempting you into a discussion about things you don't want in your home.

Does your objection to goyishe music extend to Classical/Baroque? 



cause my all life would be eazier, i oficially have a life of a good jew, but i aint, so where am i the most of the day? in shul. what do u do in shul? you daven, and i hate it! hate it! why do i hate it? cause im a piece of tumah, so i have no connection with hashem or with tefila (to learn i enjoy)
besides the few times in my life when i was clean it was a tremendous joy, i was from inside more happy, i was calm, i knew im doing good, all this feelings are priceless


I understand, as I'm sure many on here have felt a similar way.  What do you feel is holding you back from getting back to that point?

Another question, did you feel differently about other things (life, your family, etc.) when you were in your pure state?



oh i forgat about te movies question.
i like every kind of movie besides terror and musical.
they just have to be from good companies like
universal, milenium, fox, concorde,wb,disney,(sony) i probably forgat 1 or 2
i enjoy very much the way its filmed, diffrent companies usually even if the actors acted good, i get annoyed by the way they filmd it


Can you talk to anyone about the films you enjoy?  Or do you have nobody you can chat to about the things that you enjoy?  Do you feel isolated from real connections with real people because you are living this double-life?
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 20:15 #107077

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[quote="TheJester" link=topic=3289.msg107073#msg107073 date=1306440169]

I actually agree with you - I don't touch very much after 1850 - and I also find Mozart overrated.  But I guess all that is behind you now, so there is little point tempting you into a discussion about things you don't want in your home.

Does your objection to goyishe music extend to Classical/Baroque? 

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All this discussion about classical music reminds me of the time when Henny and Seymour went to a dinner party with a real WASPy crowd.  During the cocktails, Henny joined one of the conversations where they were discussing Mozart and Bach.  Henny wanting to impress the ritzy crowd pipes up "Oh Mozart, I actually met him on the B29 going to Coney Island yesterday."  At which point there is a deafening silence.  On the way home that night Seymour turns to Henny, you had to open the big fat mouth of yours, you couldn't shut up.  Dont you know the B29 doesn't go to Coney Island!!!!

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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 20:18 #107078

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TheJester wrote on 26 May 2011 20:02:

[Does your objection to [i]goyishe[/i] music extend to Classical/Baroque? 


no not at all i have a few classical and baroque cds at home

TheJester wrote on 26 May 2011 20:02:

  What do you feel is holding you back from getting back to that point?

Another question, did you feel differently about other things (life, your family, etc.) when you were in your pure state?



whats holding me back, is because the only joy entertainemet i have is movies, and movies are triggers, and there is no way i should stop watching movies and news, cause i do that 4 hs a day, how can i full up 4 hs with something allse? what should it be? there isnt. so i goota watch movies,and movies are triggers.

And no i didnt feel diffrently about my family, i just felt more מקושר  to them, cause my goals and my life are the same as theyrs...

TheJester wrote on 26 May 2011 20:02:

Can you talk to anyone about the films you enjoy?  Or do you have nobody you can chat to about the things that you enjoy?  Do you feel isolated from real connections with real people because you are living this double-life?

i have no boddy... you ever saw a yankees fan speacking with exitment about hes rivals...?
but i dont feel so isolated cause there is other things i like that i can talk about
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 20:59 #107087

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laagvokeles wrote on 26 May 2011 20:18:

no not at all i have a few classical and baroque cds at home


Cool...  Which ones?  I'm guessing Bach, Beethoven and Brahms.  And perhaps Schubert.

How close am I?



whats holding me back, is because the only joy entertainemet i have is movies, and movies are triggers, and there is no way i should stop watching movies and news, cause i do that 4 hs a day, how can i full up 4 hs with something allse? what should it be? there isnt. so i goota watch movies,and movies are triggers.

And no i didnt feel diffrently about my family, i just felt more מקושר  to them, cause my goals and my life are the same as theyrs...


So you'd love to give it all up, but you're scared that there is nothing to replace it?

What do you mean "I gotta watch movies"?  No choice in the matter?


i have no boddy... you ever saw a yankees fan speacking with exitment about hes rivals...?
but i dont feel so isolated cause there is other things i like that i can talk about


That's really good - others in Kollel?

And you're a Yankees fan?
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Re: we all want to be good 26 May 2011 21:11 #107092

  • laagvokeles
[quote="TheJester" link=topic=3289.msg107087#msg107087 date=1306443561]

So you'd love to give it all up, but you're scared that there is nothing to replace it?

What do you mean "I gotta watch movies"?  No choice in the matter?
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i cant give it up, cause its silly, why is it silly? cause i have no replacement for it, so if i would give it up cause im in a good mood and i feel close to hashem, a day latter even if i dont want to porn away but i just dont have what to do, and what happens? i get bored, kranky, upset, cause i dont have what to do, so ill go to a blockbuster risk my reputation and take a film.... so enough of that (i can say enough cause it happend to me 10000000 times).

so no, no choice in the matter untill spillberg is gonna do a jewish drama film about the fight by the tetelbaum family, or the fire in new square.

no im not a yankes fan.
and i have tshakovsky (spell it for me) too 
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