dov whats wrong with you! stop carring about my feelings if i forgive u or not! who cares?
besides: only stupid ppl get insulted by someone they dont know and they dont know them....
i wanna hear from you stuff like: "hey laagvokeles you are a huge idiot and retarded, now after u tried without the 12 steps and did not manage, will u start with the 12 steps NOW?"
and then we can start to have a discussion a geshmake one.....
and its a shame "nivul pe" is osur..... cause it would help us define things better ;D
i am not a woman i am a man so dont use gloves when u talk to me (if u want to talk to me at all.... and i hope so, and please please please be straight to the point no arichus no mesholim just spill it out, im impacient, and i usually never never read it, only jump between the lines tryeeng to get your point between all the long explanations and examples )