OK...now the next short post :

As far as the Ohr haChayim haKadosh goes, I believe be'emunah sheleima that were he to meet me 15 years ago (or 20, or 25), he would have been the first to be 'moshech me' out of the beis hamidrash, and into a shrink's office. No shayloh. As messed up in the head as I was about Hashem, women, sexuality, Teshuvah, myself, other people, and life at the time, I doubt that some 'lessons in how to learn better' so that my 'moshcheyhu' works better, would have done me any good at all. I needed (and still need) to choose a different way of living, period. And that is not just in the beis hamidrash. Actually, it's mostly out of it that is the ikkar...

Laag, is this post getting too long?  :-*

About the Ohr haChayim haKadosh's eitza not to talk about it so that it's not on my mind so much:

It's a great eitza for normal people. It is even a big tool in recovery, when used correctly for specific things. But I do not believe for a minute that he zt"l, was talking about sick, messed-up people like me, at all. For an addict, that advice is worse than silly.

L'moshol: A person has 'yenner mach'loh', R"l. OK, so...does he keep referring to it as 'yenner mach'loh'?! Of course not. If he does, we would agree that something is definitely wrong there...think about it for a second. "Doctor. So what treatment options do I have for my yenner mach'loh?" That's weird.

In fact, I think we would agree that the fellow with the cancer is having some kind of difficulty accepting the fact that it is in him. He's really, really got cancer. And chances are, such a person will have a hard time dealing with his disease in a successful and fully engaged way. He may hide behind frumkeit and cry and daven, isolate, or whatever...but may not really face his problem with a clear head at getting better from it. It is hard to face what the book AA says about us drunks, "We are like men who have lost their legs, and will walk no more."

I am a lust drunk, and am different. I must treat myself differently, or else I will not work,  will ruin everything, and eventually die in the toilet bowl of life.

If laag is different too, he will discover that like I did - only after schlepping through "da'as Torah", cheshboinos to stay in the driver's seat a bit longer, and other eitzas - if they work, great!

If they don't, there are plenty addicts around who he can stay by and maybe get better.

Oops. That was too long again.

Sorry, laag.

ai ai ai רבותי רבותי רבותי

dov u cute.....

u r a jew: i am already clean for a weeck.... i am not an addict......

now the reason why i dont wanna put web wacher you are  A BIT RIGHT only a bit, i knew it was gonna be hard to explain it.... so here it goes a new נוסח of my תירוץ
הסכת ושמע
maybe with this nusach ull get me better.

first of all i am clean
second i think that by putting web wacher u  r  עובר על בעל תשחית..... web wacher as our friend  chaim sayd, can be good for someone who out of curiosity wants to dig.... but for ppl like us that know what a good things there is there, web wacher is just a frustration.
again: if u keep ur mind and soul clean its enough a filter so u dont get באונס pop ups וכדו'  , if u dont keep ur self clean and u have a web wacher thats just צער בעלי חיים..... this guy is cooking and he finds no peace.... now let me ask you will he stay unpiecefoul?  or will he somehow manage....?

ill say now a very very bad and smart thing: i am clean and i never never will watch shmutz again, never..... BUT.... if חס ושלום  i did not manage i wanna be able not to have to go buy a new pc.... maybe its even a איסור  of בל תשחית    shame on you!!!!  שייגעץ!!! you want me to be עובר of zaar baalei chaim?? of bal tashchis??
;D
hahahahahahahah
any way i think that i closed the door completly to shmutz but ... with  שכל----- ;D

and to you dov: i am not you, so u cant know me by knowing your self.....
and for sure there is sick ppl everywhere with all kinds of sickness, i am not a adict! just a guy who knows whats good, so its hard to get desconected from good things (i am clean for 7 days), and the or hachaim says that this aveiro is hard to get disconected but possible.
i agree that there could be sick ppl, but  i dont see why i am one..... i dont have to show that i am a adict, you have to show that i am, we all bechezkas non adicts so if u wanna change the chazoke u gotta bring a evidence, and thats impossible without knowing me through and through, and its impossible for u to know me through the screen....

any way we have a bible and we should manage with it.....

LVK,

The people on this forum are too polite, so I am going to have to be the one to say it like it is. Plus, I am sure that the people with experience here are either laughing so hard or crying so hard for you (depends how sweet they are) that that it is hard for them to respond.

I don't know you, so I can't say anything about you, but I can say quite cleary that your words are foolishness of the highest level.

I know nothing about "additiction". And as mentioned I do not know anything about you either. I do know that anyone who thinks, because they are "clean for 7 days"  they can now say, "I closed the door to shmutz" is just plain foolish. Even more foolish though is the attitude that the "shmutz" is "good".  As long as you think that it won't be a long time before you want try a "only little bit" of what is "good", because you have no other way to relax... That "little bit" will progress... Whether it will lead to divorce and being cut off from your kids, freinds and entire community, I can't say, but that is where your attitudes leads. 

Thanks for the great laugh. You know how there are these crazy letters to the editor in the Yated? One time the letter was just so ludicrous that I was convinced that it was a farce. I haven't been following your whole thread but I'm getting to the point that I'm 72% (Ok maybe 73%) convinced that this is just someone's bad idea of a joke. If it is, hat's off for keeping the whole GYE men and ladies busy. But if not, man you've got problems. And I'm talking from personal experience. A week? What, now you're going to the Mikky and all the angels(sorry, maluchim) are going to start singing to you? And let me guess, Moishe Rabbeiny is going to hand you the Luchos?
In all seriousness, the saddest thing is your denial. Whether you're an addict or not is totally irrelavent at this point. There might be many reasons why you do what you do. It could be addiction, OCD, stress, boredom, yetezer hara, etc. But whatever it is, denial is dangerous. In fact its lethal. There is not one person who ended up doing terrible things w/o being convinced that he or she was in control of their condition along their way down that steep hill. Let's say its the plain old yetzer hara. You think you can beat him? Doesn't the Gemara say that if it wouldn't be for HKB"H he would easily overpower us? Just let me know the next piece of "good" shmutz you watch.

Guys you may not see it but laag is coming along. One day he will be from the biggest gye soldiers .

lvk

i'm sorry but you are really off
it sounds to me that you no idea what you are up against
7 days? the hieliga bardichever rav had a fall after being clean for almost a full year!!!




prove us all wrong
go ahead race to the top

you could do it (what? i'm confused huh?)

_{but you have to change your attitude first}

Just wanted to add a thought. Try to picture a world class thief. He's just too good to get caught. And he's broken into your house a # of times. So you stay on guard with your rifle a whole night. But he has patience. He waits you out till you ineveitably lose your focus for a second and he's in and out before you know it. So you pick up the phone and call the police. They're happy to devote their whole force to the case. But one thing. You're going to have to let them keep some undercover guys there. "No way!", you say. "What, you mean I can't do this myself?!" You daven to Hashem to save you from this "thief." "Okay, so let get's those undercover guys (i.e. Webchaver or some other filter)!" "No way, I can do this!" It's your pride and denial that's going to push you over the edge whatever the problem. ]Proof: Did you ever humble yourself and go in person to anyone you respect and tell them e/t you've been up to? Be it a Rav, Rebbe, Rosh Yeshiva, etc. I know the answer already. And there's only one reason you haven't. Pride. Gaavah. Ain't no room for Hashem.

ai ai ai ai......

guys u helpd me understand better why תורה שבעל פה wasnt originally ment to be written.... the song of the words coming out of the mouth help to understand things..... i dont manage u ppl to get what i want....

evrybody is making fun about my 7 days..... hello see my nick?לעג וקלס? i laugh about it my self.....

any way even i laugh i dont give up! and this time i will manage!!! oh yeaaa!!! (maybe if i would have ruach hakokosh i would know i would not manage, but i sincerly am doing all i can besides web wacher and if someone still dos not understad why i dont do web wacher please ask..... please ask.....  ;D)

i realised this actual time of doing tshuva a new thing about this shmutz, when they say u can not think about woman it means NO THINKING and ill explain.

i sometimes am a chazen in shul yamim tovim shachris or a regular shabes, i never realised that i a bit wanna be מוצא חן also in the עזרת נשים.... or u stand next to a woman and even u dont wanna chas vesholoim "§%$& , you still put your head nice on place or do you peyes (פיאות) better....

well even this type of thinking of woman by the end kills us...

i am tryeng really really to desconect from any bad woman.....  i strongly believe that hashem will help me....

like the or hachaim says in achrei mos, that only jews have the power once we got some how atached to this "znus family" to get disconected

LvK the frustration of being misunderstood I can relate to that. Here I was the one insisting you were not an addict and yet you accuse me of calling you an addict. In order to help you I'm going to provide some perush for the oilam as to what your are saying.
1.  Why LvK should not get webchaver. It is true that getting webchaver may be a kiyum of v'neshmarten but we have a principle an אין עושה דוחה לא תעשה ועשה  Now installing webchaver will lead to violated the לא תעשה  of Bal Taschish since you will need to masturbate and have no outlet and the עשה of tzaar baal l'chayim because if someone really wants to watch porn you are not allowed to be mtzair them by preventing them.

Got to go now but I will give the perush for all those out there as to what you mean when you say you are doing "i sincerly am doing all i can"

Keep up the good work.

lol
ur a jew are u been sarcastic.....?

any way im doing all i can, all i have to do.... to have web wacher i think its a shame... 
once i חס ושלום would get horny, no web watcher no nothing can help believe me..... ill brake a wall....

So what do you think is the solution to your problem?

Can you put it in a few lines?

How are you going to keep from breaking a wall?

Or לשיטתך -as one who keeps quoting the Ohr HaChaim HaKudosh -how are you going to keep from getting "H****" (I'm sorry...I just can't type that word...)?

hey ben.
simple: dont think about woman dont watch at woman dont be bored.....  i also have a filter that i cant watch even kosher sites if they have woman (i made my own list) isnt this enough?

No, Nope, and No way!!!

This is all good for a regular guy.

Anyone who has had serious problems in the past needs to work on themselves constantly to make sure we have the tools to prevent the inevietably triggers that will arise from causing ourselves to act out.

There are different approaches, but filters and avoidance are definately not enough.