chas vesholoim i have no clue why you say that
i am here only cause someone may intentionally or not, say the right think it should touch me...

so "maybe' you are looking for help?

liscen i dont understand, u ever had a child that had to be "fixed" in a issue?
dos it go magically "moishe how come you  bla bla bla dont do it again" and abra cadabra done finito?one time speacking fixed the child?
no, it gos slowly.

im here for to speack with you and him and him and him, about my problem, even about your problem if i will have anything to say, but you think that i have to through away my internet cause u very smart person sayd very logical reasons for it? i know some of the reasons my self and it dos not help me knowing.
haloi hadvorim kal vochoimer:
  i know go,d will burn me in hell for this shmutz, and evendo i do it, how do u think can ur smart and sweet words be stronger than that?

  im here cause chazal say dago belev ish etc, so i speack and while speacking i my self understand better my problem ALSO with my own  speacking.

if u wanna discust back and forwards with geshmake svarot i am here and its gonna help me, if you only speack when u see the results right away.... welll im not like that....

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 19:29:


I think that is a kal v'chomer shel shtus.  The problem is you (and all of us) don't really believe that you are going to burn in hell.  If you did you would have thrown out the internet for good long ago.  We figure we will get a hisorerus dleila and wipe it all away.

But what people are telling you here.  You can see for your own eyes. And you can see from you own experience how it's destroying your life.

i laag vokeles swear;
im gonna die (hopefully by 120) and burn in hell, if i dont do tshuva....
believe me i am sure about all that....

u got it all wrong

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 19:51:


I can mouth the words too.  Trust me if we believed it in the depths of our hearts at the true meaning of what we were saying, there wouldn't be a smily face at the end.

lol
liscen i have a feeling im gonna do tshuva, so by the end im not gonna burn ;D

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 19:29:


Moishe:  "THERE IS A FIRE IN THE ROOM WHERE YOU ARE STANDING RUN OUT NOW." 

If Moishe doesn't run out it's either because:

1.  Moishe is an idiot.
2.  Moishe is deaf.
3.  Moishe is too scared to run out.
4.  Moishe doesn't understand that fire can burn and is dangerous (after all we need fire to cook and keep us warm).
5.  Moishe can't move.
6.  Moishe wants to die.
7.  Moishe is waiting for the fire department to give him a real good hisorerous to run out.

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 19:58:


That's exactly my point.  And that's why your kal v'chomer is worthless (as well as the prior hisorerus deleilas that you've had).  Unfortunately, my friend the system don't work that way.  :-[

I'm here to help

I am only here to help

U goTta be open for help

thank you bardichev, and you are helping me even if i didnt yet drop the internet...

u r a jew: you see i desagree with you because i  dont call it adiction, i call it taaves thats it, period. (maybe ppl who loose jobs cause of 3 min porn they can call it adiction i dont know i am not psicologist)

adiction in my eyes is only when  even its not good you cant stop it, and its something you developed on your own for example smoking, that its not good for anybody, only for the one who got used to it,  its only good for the adicted one
adiction has no commun and sence (hegoyon) you just need it period.
but i see in me that i only go into movies and porn only when i am not bussey when i am bored, so automaticly i wanna have a good time, meaning dont wanna be bored, so its not an adiction FOR ME (as i sayd i am not a psiologist i cant speack for everybody).
and my ups and downs ups and downs are not because of a adiction, only because of the yetzer hara.

now its only runing my life because i am a jew and i am creating malachei chabala each time etc etc.

but the gashmius life with no hashem involved whats the problem?

i am not loosing a job or something...

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 20:19:


Forget about issur v'heter of porn.  You are (I think) supposed to be learning in Kollel.  Whether or not you are getting paid for it, that is what you are holding yourself out to the world to be doing.  But you are not doing that.  You are living a lie.  And the reason you are living that lie is because you can't stop it.
You are also a father and husband with certain obligations.  You are neglecting those obligations since no sane person can turn off the porn and just magically engross himself in porn one minute and become a normal husband and father a next.  So you are depriving those close to you of the responsibilites that you owe them whether or not you are jewish.  And the reason why is because you can't stop it.

So it doesn't matter whether the lie you are lving is porn, smoking or throwing your keys up in the air.  If that "thing" that you are doing is causing you to live a "lie" then I would think you are addicted to it.  But obviously people can disagree on this one.

well i am not leaving a real lie....
hashem is in koilel and outside is the yetzer hara i am now outside... why is that a lie?
trouth i am suposed to be shtaiging away but i dont want now...

and a milse debdichusa: i think i am never mekayem mizvas oina so "lishmo" as i am mekayem it now....
what i am tryeng to say is, that i have many faces; porn and movies face, talmid chochom face, husband face, father face, after waching so many movies you learn how to act

"you learn how to act" it is all an "act" that is the lie.