Something is bothering me about this thread.  Laagvokels, why are you here?  Do you want to get help?  On one hand I think you do, but are too weak to make the leap, but on the hand sometimes it sounds like your just inciting us guys in recovery.

What are your motives?  What do you want? (don't say Israusa Delialeh please)

laaag vokelles

did the cat catch your tounge??

or did you let the cat out of the bag

or maybe you are catnapping

bardy bardy tsk tsk all these CATegories...

hey teddy bear.

i dont underastand what you want, ill explain: what dos the internet have that its kosher entetainement? for me nothing at all.  the ineternet is needed for ppl who work, or for non kosher entetainement like movies and porn...

when i am good and that happened 100 times (after 100 times been bad) i dont want the internet cause i am good.... and i dont work....

but u r right that even with no access to the internet u gotta have a filter, cause u gotta be smart and do the best for when the yeride time comes (if it will come...)
  any way when u daven , daven for me 2

why don't you put in a filter?

tell me is there a filter that dos not allow sex porn, but it dos not block any hollywood movie?

www1.k9webprotection.com/

free and very good filter

you can customize it to block more or less

essential that you give away the password once you set it up
give it to the filter gabai
www.guardureyes.com/GUE/Filters/password.asp

hollywood movies are all about sex and porn, just melubish in different layers

you right about that, but we jews dont have any kosher entertainement,    by waching hollywood movies you are a "novol SHELOI birshus hatoire"
by waching porn even worse than that... you are a novol a muke shchin a neveilo serucho and on and on and on....

bekitzer: thats the problem for me with filters; that when i wanna go into internet that includes porn.... by me there is no such thing internet without porn..... cause evendo i start with a comedy family movie this brings me to more more more.....

i dont have in this world nothing besides hashem in one site, or lehavdil elef alfei havdoles movies and porn in the  other site,

im or in the left or in the right


 

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 18:11:


You've raised a great question.  For what exactly do you need the internet.  If you don't need it then get rid of it.  Is there something that your wife needs it for?  If there is then create a whitelist and add only those sites that she uses.  If neither of you need it then get rid of it, and the whole computer for that matter.

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 18:23:


A filter is only as good as your desire to get better.  If you want to say that your in Yeridah time and I'm stuck then no filter will be foolproof.  That's why you also need an accountability program.  Since you still seem to be concerned of how the "outside" views you.  The good thing is that plenty of kollelim now require it.  So you are not opening yourself up to suspicion (that you are an addict) by installing one.

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 18:35:


I'm not sure which is worse.  At least when you watch the porn you acknowledge that its terrible.  When you watch Hollywood movies you seem to rationalize it that it's not that bad. 

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 18:35:


There is plenty of kosher entertainment, once you accept that entertainment is not limited to sexually oriented things.  That's why you (and me) need help to help orient our thinking.  There is more to life and living then sex (even when we are feeling down and in "yerida" mode.

we jews have plenty of kosher entertainment
they might not be things that you are used to or that your friends and relatives do

but is porn a better option?

you need to learn how to relax and have fun in a healthy way. without risking your family, sanity, and life each time.

read, write, draw, paint, carpentry, poetry, gimatrios, photography, bikeriding, exercise, kiruv, Partners in Torah, chevra kadisha, bikur cholim.....

lol guys!
first of all thank you for the replys

i trully dont need porn, but need to be bussey, and i dont find nothing to keep me bussey besides movies, that eventually bring me to porn

right now im gonna go play call of duty multiplayer evendo my ping is not good cause i dont have a normal internet provider....

lol
hashem yerachem

nahh serious go for it

it might work

you don't want any advice

you don't want to hear what works for other

people

so try it this way

hey you never know