"Echta veoshev echta vehoshiv ain maspikin beyodo lasos teshuva."  Dont wait for hirurei teshuva- its your turn. Stop killing yourself wake up!

hey david
this echto veoshuv is really complicated....
i hope i am not considered that
hashem yerachem

laagvokeles wrote on 21 Dec 2010 11:43:


Do you really think it stays like that, just plain fantasy. Look at yourself, over the last couple of years, how many times have you pushed your boundries further and further. Every time just a little bit further. what you watch, where you watch it, at what times (asseres yemei tshuvah, hoishane rabboh, erev pessach etc. you name it) You did not do it the first time like you are doing it now.
Where does it lead to? We are experts in fantasizing user you imagination. It goes from "plain" watching to chatting to texting/emailing to talking on the phone to meeting in real live etc.....
Look at the main page for some Horror Stories.

Tell me. You are koilel yingerman.  Where do you watch all this stuff?  I believe you don’t have an office as a koillel yingerman.
In your home?

What does your wife say when you don’t go to kolel? Does your koilel pay you even when you miss a couple of weeks? Or do you go in the morning, put down your hat on the open shulachon oruch and give in the shemiras  hazmanim tzetel at the end of the week :D

hey tomid besimcha.
ooohhhh you are saying a big chidush! ppl here really §$%§&  the shikses on the screen "live"?
i thaught this site speakes only about  shikses on screen....
anyway aveiro goreres aveiro..... but i need my wife my kids so thats to a big risk...., so i change the "route" of "next" aveiro into loshon horo or something, but never to put at risk sweet kids and wife, AND MY SELF!, cause once you are publicly known as a vagabund its already a diffrent prepective a diffrent life a all.... i prefer the one that i am ok on the outside.

ill tell you the trouth i would only do it "live" (afre lepumi) if i would be 100 % that the shikse dos not know my name, where i live and i do it 1000 miles away from my home....
if u are not carefoul with all of that it can pop up one day....... ad its a shame....

welll about the koilel and my wife questions, lets just say that i manage.... (its hard for me to answer without revealing  (legalois) to BIG detatils about my self)

webcam?

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 14:50:


I understand, you are probably one of those gevirisha kinder/einkilech who does not have to worry how to pay the bills, rent etc....and allot of spare time at hand. (Just guessing. sorry for poking my nose where i shouldn't)

I don’t know Dov's highly intellectual language. I just know the plain down to earth talk.

If you have open internet access with privacy and all the conveniences, then how do you think you will not fall back once your grand "Hisarisa Dileilo" finally arrives.
I honestly belive that your Hisarise deleloilo from the past did not come from the "deleilo" It came from the very very low "delisato" the Yetzer Hora and the sheoil tachtis. He just wanted you to have more and better appetite for the next fix, to drag you down even deeper than before.

Com’on, get real and use our head (not your hand) for a second. You are a chasidsisher yingerman and one of the first things you ought to know is that you should not bloff your self. Most of your talk was just to far'enver sich and to take away you gilt to be able to enjoy your naarishe hollywood comedy and the rest, (who are those shmitzige nidrige goijim anyway. look at www.[pm me if you want to know the link]  to get really farekkelt and disgusted about the whole porn industry) and blame it on Hashem that he gave you a nissoyon that you can't possible withstand. If you believe in the toireh and chazal than you know that hashem never gives you a nissoion that you can't stand.

If you don’t do the most basic remedies to help your self, nobody will help you. But dont wein and cry like a baby, "Hashem, hisarise deleylo". They look at you from up there like a complete nutcase, You keep on pressing the triger from the  machine gun while begging for world peace. Just get up and do something positive right now, yes NOW.
Install a strong filter and give the password to a friend. Or a accountability program like Webchaver etc. Or even better through’ing the computer out the window and canceling you internet connection, Or if you have a key from a friends office drop it in to the next drain.
Why do you need a computer anyway? Do you have those big business deals going on? Why fop sich.

Ok enough for toady. Sorry if i hurt you, but i dont tsi tserick not a single word. I am the same chasidishe yingerman (maybe in the same country as you) the same age as you with the same YH's as you. Don’t tell me I don’t understand. I can just tell you one thing.

WAKE UP, In tie tzi der sach

Be gebenchet

P.S.  You can PM me if you want

TB, i wish you would have been around to tell me that years ago
gevaldig!

hey tb! thank you for speacking to me, and dont worry i dont get hurd, aderabe i get bored if ppl rap theyr words to much. thank you again

Now its around my 4th or 5th new internet acces, oh i forgat..... i also baught an other 10 times (lefochois) this 20 mega internet acces (that ppl buy for to travel) wached a movie plus bit porn and thats it, and also had to buy a usb should do the job of wire less internet a few times.... (cause i took out the posibility of wireless of my pc, so after i did it, i found out that you can replace that with a usb who dos the job....)

Hakitzer as you see ups and downs ups and downs....
but im sure that this "up" that will come with hashems help its gonna be forever amen.....!

tomid besimcha wrote on 22 Dec 2010 15:55:


Took the words write out of my brain.

LvK this is key.

Don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

If you want Israusa Delialeh then go find someone who is experienced in this addiction that you can spill your guts to in person to give you some guidance.  It took me a while to do something like this myself (way too long in fact).  But at some point I made a simple chesbon, I can be a little embarrased here or I can be embarrassed for eternity.  And, once I did find someone to talk to it made a world of difference.  It wasn't perfect afterward but it was a big start.  And I think that was why I was ultimately zoche to stumble across this site. 

Get a filter today.

Get webchaver today.

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 14:50:


I appreciate the honesty in this statement.  Most people have a hard time admitting that their life is one big lie.


laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 14:50:


Already you are acknowledging that you "can" do it live, it's just will take the right circumstances.  This is why you need help now.  Because slowly, you come to the point where it doesn't have to be 1000 miles but 100 miles.  And how many stories can I tell you about people who never thought they would be caught but then they got arrested so all there plans about not getting caught were up in smoke.  Or they catch an STD and they have to start explaining where they've been.  Or how about someone I know who had to try it just once, but it wasn't as good as he thought it would be (because it never is) but he is still not satisifed so he has to try it again because it will undoubtedly get better with time.  Yes, Hashem Yerachem.

Wake up and smell the coffee.  Get help now.  And get real help.  Hatzlocha. 

ok so ur obviously going to go out and get urself more data on ur usb or card or whatever. so why don't u help protect and take care of urself by putting a filter on ur computer that someone else has the password to?
this will save you.

it is your choice whether or not you want to be saved.

i am now in yeride time, so filter is not what i want...and then when i get my tshuva atack i dont wont internet at all....

maybe you will get the long-awaited isarusa dileila if you put in the filter...

lol

laagvokeles wrote on 22 Dec 2010 17:29:

this is no laughing matter.

you are waiting for a high moment to change urself and not have internet. but if you can change from a low point to a high point, you can also go back from your high point to a low point. and then waht then?

lagger excuse me for saying htis, but shame on you. i really need to scream at you right now, but not because i am being mean, but because i want to help you. read this properly, don't just scan, and please try to UNDERSTAND what i am going to say.



get real here, laager. you will never EVER fully get rid of internet. stop lying to yourself and everyone else here.
get a F-KING GOOD filter, then there's NO PROBLEM if your on the internet, you won't always have to 'BE STRONG' every time ur on the internet.

why are you PUTTING URSELF IN A NISAYON?!!! sorry but that's STUPID and SHAMEFUL. ok?
david haMelech, such a tzadik, right? he asked Ribono Shel Olom "GIVE ME A NISAYON" and did he pass it? no, he fell wiht batsheva. Why? BECAUSE HE PUT HIMSELF IN THE NISAYON IN THE FIRST PLACE.

you are putting yourself in a nisayon. do you think you are more holy than DOVID HAMELECH?!!!!