Tried! I'm glad to see u in a UP mood

Up Shmup  : : Down Shmown  : : (Is that the way Bards would say it?)
Take care HOLY Brother.... Keep us posted, Mechiten (
what ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? See the thread Mechiten in break free)

R Yaakov Horowitz of Monsey offers a third path in add'n to "dropped out" or "pushed out." He says, these kids haven't gone off the derech: the road just isn't broad enough to give them a lane they can drive on!

They're trying to drive with whatever vehicle they've got, and there's no lane for them. Or, if they suddenly get a flat tire, there's no shoulder.

He concludes with something like: how can WE fix our OWN failing to give kids a broad enough road within Yiddishkeit that they can drive the car they've got....

So, maybe it's not only a choice between fallen off vs pushed off.

Briut, he's right and solomon. Is right too, its sad either way u call it

if your car does not fit on the road the one who built it is 'pushing' you off the road.

JIP your story is causing another Jew allot of pain.

Thanks holy yid, but I'm sure it was a typo "another jew"???
"Other jews rather"

JIP...

Hope things are going well, Mechiten....

Is the couple coming to us or you?

Things could be better actually
1 couple to us and 1 to u, how's that fair enough?

Oy  Yoy...

I just said a Perek of  Tehilim for you (and the couples..  ;D) right now...

May G-d bless you and be with you...
AND PULL YOU OUT OF THIS MESS..... (and while he's at it... I can use him too...)

Keep us posted Holy Brother

(P.s. I think it's good that you are truthful about how you feel...)

Thanks guys for all your support, it just touched me that so much of u care for JIP's pain that i literally found myself crying in the office while I was standing over the fax machine, i just cried  to him, aske3d him o show me my personal גאולת מצרים i told him that my kids need a normal father 7 that i too deserve to finally be normal & i want his help as i know only he can do this for me, i said a few chapters of thilim, which i once heard that when king David composed it, he included all the possible struggles & pains anyone on this world can go through, so it must be mine is included too
So i know he will help me soon as he is the only one who is capable of doing so & he certainly wants to help me,
Thanks u again

i can only speak for myself so I wrote another jew.

Gevald Gevald....

Hashem looks down and cries along with us....
May your tears finally fill that cup...

tears do not go unanswered

Good week, u guys are 100% right tears flow up and do what they suppose to do