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Re: Out in the open 15 Aug 2011 04:59 #114554

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helplessjewboy wrote on 12 Aug 2011 14:31:

Dear needyirasshamayim, you are definitely not alone.

Check out my posts as well. There are a few people who have given me some stellar advice. I suggest you try it out as well: http://www.guardyoureyes.org/forum/index.php?topic=3913.msg114419#msg114419

What both dov and gevura shebyesod said made me think of something.

Hashem does everything for a reason, and he gives you everything you need to succeed. So maybe we can utilize our "gayness" for something else. Maybe we can use our love and appreciation for men to bring them closer and make them feel closer to Hashem.

Another idea could be to utilize it to show Hashem we love him more. After all, if men could only love women, how could they possibly love someone who is male (Hashem, at least I think so). Ultimately, we could use our love to forge a bond with Hashem that stretches farther than a normal "friendship" bond to someone who wants to devote his life to his "partner" (Hashem).

Remember, this is just a thought I had, and in now way does it reflect the absolute truth unless justified by a certified someone.

What do you think?

Jew Boy


Sorry for hijacking again but i just wanted to stick in my 2 cents....

Obviously Hashem is not "male" since He has no form. We address Him in male terms because that is how the language is (there are some female terms, such as "Shechina"). In sifrei kaballah there is much discussion of the "male" and "female" aspects of Hashem's attributes, but I don't really know enough to address that.

In addition I agree with Dov that focusing on our "love for men" in any way is self-destructive and contrary to what we are trying to accomplish. It's wonderful to feel close to your friends, but it should be "friendship", and not "love" in the sense of a romantic relationship of any kind.

In a more abstract sense though, I think that we can use our heightened emotional sensitivity (I know it's a cliche and a stereotype , but I think there is some truth to it), to help us get closer to Hashem and strengthen our relationship with Him. I know that since I started my own recovery, I am able to be more open with feelings that I spent my entire life suppressing, and I try to channel it into davening with more kavannah and emotion. And yes, in this way we can bring ourselves to the point where, when we recognize that we cannot beat this ourselves, to throw it onto Him and ask Him to heal us.

KOT!!!!!!

Gevura!
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Re: Out in the open 15 Aug 2011 12:13 #114577

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Sorry again for hijacking.

Gevura ShebYesod, I think you hit it right on the mark.

I definitely will try working on myself to the tune of what you said.

Thank You.

Jew Boy
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Re: Out in the open 17 Aug 2011 18:34 #115072

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Gevura ShebYesod wrote on 15 Aug 2011 04:59:


In a more abstract sense though, I think that we can use our heightened emotional sensitivity (I know it's a cliche and a stereotype , but I think there is some truth to it), to help us get closer to Hashem and strengthen our relationship with Him. I know that since I started my own recovery, I am able to be more open with feelings that I spent my entire life suppressing, and I try to channel it into davening with more kavannah and emotion. And yes, in this way we can bring ourselves to the point where, when we recognize that we cannot beat this ourselves, to throw it onto Him and ask Him to heal us.


Gevura!

it actually says it in the Attitude Handbook, (p.17): In general, those who struggle a lot with these issues, have a great deal of emotional and spiritual energy inside them. It is they who actually have the capacity and potential for the most intense spiritual connection with Hashem. We just need to learn how to channel the energy of our souls in the proper ways.
It is also known, that people with particular character traits, such as creativity, love for people and spiritual sensitivity, are more prone to seeking alternate expression for their inner strengths through a stronger than usual sexual drive. That is why it is so important to learn how to channel these strengths we have in the proper ways. Heightened sexual desire is actually a symptom of a deep subconscious need that - for some reason - has still not reached fulfillment.
So it's no cliche and you're right, so keep on trucking!!!
Baby steps.
If the road is pulling you down, it's a sign that you are going uphill, so just press harder on the gas!

Have a great day - unless, of course, you made other plans.
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Re: Out in the open 17 Aug 2011 21:23 #115145

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When you start thinking what you can really do with this sexual habit it is like saying ;I have been nurturing a good thing just the wrong way so let me make some adjustments and then I will be filling my tachlis.
Instead we must be saying if I have been living life a certain way and it led me to this,I better start learning a new way of living.And whtever it is that you have these tendincies for hashem will make sure it happens,leave that to him.
I hope my love is coming through my words because I really love you.
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Re: Out in the open 17 Aug 2011 23:09 #115169

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Amein. Same here....
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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Re: Out in the open 21 Aug 2011 04:51 #115545

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needyirasshamayim wrote on 08 Aug 2011 17:17:

This is my story:

I am new to this site and thank Hashem that I found it. I hope to Hasem Yisbarach that this will be the beginning of the end for my problems.

I am a 37 year old chasidish man living in Brooklyn. I am married with many beautiful children B"H.

My story goes back from when I was a young child. I was born to a small family with no brothers. I tended to be more to the feminine type, though at that age it meant nothing to me. I dont actually remember the first time I masturbated, though i was young in age. my parents had a TV at home, and i remember while watching some programs (especially those of men in scantily clad attire) and masturbating to those images.

The first time another boy ever touched me was when i went away for a shabbos and he tagged along. I dont remember all the details but he confronted me and I allowed myself to be led. since, I have had many encounters with others.

I have tried for many years without success to try and stop or at least hold back my desires for other men. I still cant seem to kick these desires. I did get caught a few times, once by my parents and some times by others.

I cried many a tears to Hashem to help me fight this yetzer hora. sometimes i succeeded in stopping for weeks, months or years, yet I still always comeback to the same situation. Any small thing can trigger my desires and thoughts and it's very hard to push those aside once they are there.

I work in a heimish company that has great filtration, but I found a way around it that gives me access to all. No matter how many times I deleted the info and passwords, I always look to retrieve it again.

My wife does not know of my desires and I hate lying to her. I hope that I am giving her all the love she deserves even though I am ... I know it's not fare to her.

There is so much more in my heart that I would like to express but it hurts too much. I hope that with Siyata Dishmaya and with these blogs I will get the help that I need to dismantle this yetzer horah.


I read your story and feel your pain very deeply.
I'm rooting for your success!!!!!!
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