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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 07 Oct 2010 16:23 #79883

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Holy Yid wrote on 07 Oct 2010 01:00:

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth
on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and
dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
  Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing
whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so
dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-
field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of
that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave
their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether
fitting and proper that we should do this.
  But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate…we cannot
consecrate…we cannot hallow…this ground. The brave men,
living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it
far above our poor power to add or detract. The world
will little note nor long remember what we say here, but
it can never forget what they did here. It is for us, the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished
work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly
advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the
great task remaining before us…that from these honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion; that we here
highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain;
that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of
freedom; and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Wow!!!

You wrote that yourself!?!?

It is a marvelous piece!

Funny thing is, it sound eerily similar to what an anonymous speech-writer wrote way back in the 1800s. It was later read in public somewhere in Pennsylvania by a guy sporting a trim beard & wearing a top hat. Was that guy wearing a silk bekishe too? Or was it a tuxedo?

(Interestingly, some say, that he was assassinated because he 'transgressed' the curse that Noach gave to his son Cham by freeing the Negro slaves.)



BTW, where you taught in college the meaning of the word plagiarism?
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 07 Oct 2010 17:26 #79897

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Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 07 Oct 2010 16:23:

Holy Yid wrote on 07 Oct 2010 01:00:

Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth
on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and
dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
  Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing
whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so
dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-
field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of
that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave
their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether
fitting and proper that we should do this.
  But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate…we cannot
consecrate…we cannot hallow…this ground. The brave men,
living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it
far above our poor power to add or detract. The world
will little note nor long remember what we say here, but
it can never forget what they did here. It is for us, the
living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished
work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly
advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the
great task remaining before us…that from these honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which
they gave the last full measure of devotion; that we here
highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain;
that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of
freedom; and that government of the people, by the people,
for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Wow!!!

You wrote that yourself!?!?

It is a marvelous piece!

Funny thing is, it sound eerily similar to what an anonymous speech-writer wrote way back in the 1800s. It was later read in public somewhere in Pennsylvania by a guy sporting a trim beard & wearing a top hat. Was that guy wearing a silk bekishe too? Or was it a tuxedo?

(Interestingly, some say, that he was assassinated because he 'transgressed' the curse that Noach gave to his son Cham by freeing the Negro slaves.)



BTW, where you taught in college the meaning of the word plagiarism?



I stand corrected. At least one person reads long posts.

I am tempted to start ending all my posts with something like that and see if anyone picks up on it.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Btw it could apply to the YH also.
זכרני נא, זכרני נא, וחזקני נא אך הפעם הזה, הפעם הזה, האלקים, ואנקמה נקם אחת משתי עיני, מפלשתים
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 07 Oct 2010 17:32 #79903

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Holy Yid wrote on 07 Oct 2010 17:26:

to provide new Guards for their future security.


this sort of sums up GYE
Sometimes life is like tuna with not enough mayonaise
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 07 Oct 2010 17:35 #79905

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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 08 Oct 2010 20:26 #80075

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Here are pointers on how the whole thing applies to us-

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, (we  can't stand our bond to the yetzer hara) and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,(we are very intiltiled to be free of him) a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life(no life with p***), Liberty(no liberty with p***) and the pursuit of Happiness(no happiness with p***). That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness(we need new principles with which to live life). Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed(some need to really start over). But when a long train of abuses(that is us) and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism(yes), it is their right(YES), it is their duty(YES!!!), to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security(GUARD YOUR EYES).

זכרני נא, זכרני נא, וחזקני נא אך הפעם הזה, הפעם הזה, האלקים, ואנקמה נקם אחת משתי עיני, מפלשתים
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 11 Oct 2010 21:16 #80235

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Holy Yid wrote on 07 Oct 2010 17:26:

certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.



[quote="Harav Asher Zelig Rubinstein Shlita, Rosh Yeshiva, Yeshiva Toras Simcha, Yerushalyim]
They may have found [b]Life[/b];
They may have found [b]Liberty[/b];
But they are still [b]pursuing Happiness[/b]!

That is all there is to a it.....a [u]pursuit[/u]!
They will [i]never [/i]find it! They are looking for it in the wrong places!
[/quote]
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 14 Oct 2010 19:57 #80494

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דרשו השם ועוזו
we also only search but we are happy in the search
זכרני נא, זכרני נא, וחזקני נא אך הפעם הזה, הפעם הזה, האלקים, ואנקמה נקם אחת משתי עיני, מפלשתים
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Re: Aristotle ala GYE 15 Oct 2010 11:01 #80527

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I hope you don't mind my two cents here among the wealth of profound statements.

I have been quite down lately too and know what it's like to just not give a ***.

I think that this forum has really helped me, because when I get to that point that I no longer care about myself, I see that there are others that care about me.

All I want to say is that I care and that we're all here if you need us.
As far as depression goes, perhaps share the individual problems and depressing thoughts with us. Merery getting them out often helps more than anything else.

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