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Re: "seal of truth"="seal of suicide" 27 Apr 2010 09:50 #63227

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Tried-123 wrote on 27 Apr 2010 05:41:

I can go on and on and on and on....


Why don't you? This thread has been most informative.

Where can I get hold of "בשבילי הרפואה"?
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Re: "seal of truth"="seal of suicide" 27 Apr 2010 10:48 #63228

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southafricanJEW wrote on 27 Apr 2010 09:17:

Tried-123 wrote on 27 Apr 2010 05:39:

According to R' Desler, the reason Klal Yisroel fell to the depths of moral impurity in Egypt...
Is due to the fact that they felt bad about themselves....

Sounds like guilt is the cause, not the solution.... :-\ :-\ :-\


I Know what you say from experience, my Yatzer horah would convince me that “masturbation is the worst sin in the entire universe and is on the same level as brutally murdering little children, therefore I must spend every moment of the day focusing on stopping this, Stop worrying about trying to daven with a minyan, doing chessed and small things like that, a murderer has more important things to stop.”I am beginning to realize that I am wasting a lot of my potential because of this guilt.
And did the guilt help me stop masturbating?
It made me do it a lot more!
Another point that may be worth discussing is that I am sure that true “yirat shomayim”
Has nothing to do with “fear of punishment” fear of punishment is fear of pain, not the profound awe of Hashem we should really have.



The following just illustrates that some times the Y'h wants the guilt more than anything....
(Masturbating is obviously an Aveira)

צוואת הריב"ש (ה:ב) [מובא ב"עלים לתרופה" גליון קל"ג – מטות-מסעי תשנ"ח] – לפעמים מטעה היצה"ר לאדם ואומר לו שעבר עבירה גדולה, אע"פ שבאמת אינו אלא חומרא בעלמא או שאינו עבירה כלל, וכוונתו שיהיה האדם בעצבות מכח זה, ויבטל בעצבותו מעבודת הבורא ית"ש, וצריך האדם להבין הרמאות הזה...


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Re: "seal of truth"="seal of suicide" 27 Apr 2010 12:08 #63231

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Rage ATM wrote on 26 Apr 2010 17:37:

compare, leaving shul early with masturbating:

about leaving shul too early:  תניא אבא בנימין אומר שנים שנכנסו להתפלל וקדם אחד מהם להתפלל ולא המתין את חברו ויצא טורפין לו תפלתו בפניו שנאמר (איוב יח) טורף נפשו באפו הלמענך תעזב ארץ ולא עוד אלא שגורם לשכינה שתסתלק מישראל שנאמר (איוב יח) ויעתק צור ממקומו ואין צור אלא הקב"ה שנאמר (דברים לב) צור ילדך תשי

about masturbating:
דא"ר יוחנן כל המוציא שכבת זרע לבטלה חייב מיתה שנאמר (בראשית לח) וירע בעיני ה' <את> אשר עשה וימת גם אותו רבי יצחק ורבי אמי אמרי כאילו שופך דמים שנאמר (ישעיהו נז) הנחמים באלים תחת כל עץ רענן שוחטי הילדים בנחלים תחת סעיפי הסלעים אל תקרי שוחטי אלא סוחטי רב אסי אמר כאילו עובד <עבודת כוכבים> {עבודה זרה} כתיב הכא תחת כל עץ רענן וכתיב התם (דברים יב) על ההרים הרמים ותחת כל עץ רענן


Rage is trying to bring out the same point that Dov talks about over here: www.guardyoureyes.org/?p=1298
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Re: "seal of truth"="seal of suicide" 27 Apr 2010 12:11 #63232

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southafricanJEW wrote on 25 Apr 2010 22:17:

Today a was really freaking out about all the guilt darkness and confusion that surrounds me, I could not actually stand it, so I closed my eyes and begged Hashem to give me, some sign by the end of the day that would at least begin to help me through this maze.

.....My friend explained Hashem puts me through this darkness and confusion precisely because he loves me infinitely and wants me to grow and be refined and become the person I have the potential to be, if Hashem never loved my he would not bother with all this (I had to hold back the tears as my friend spoke.
Basically I must do what I must do and daven to Hashem “Refuaino”



Wow, Hashem really loves you!!

See this post from Dov: www.guardyoureyes.org/?p=1298

Read it carefully, it's brilliant.
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