You're probably talking about the level described in Tanya where some Tzaddikim don't feel any desire for aveiros.

Long ago I gave up trying to reach that level. Most of us will always have our desires. But we can choose to channel those desires into good things.

Imagine spending the whole day cleaning your house for Pesach. You're so tired that you have no strength to go to Maariv. So you just sit and relax. But when your desires kick in, your energy level shoots up, and now you have strength to go to Maariv. Gevaldik !

all right.
but i m only saying that by acting as if nothing happened i'll be more inclined to do it again and fall in the pit.
However, by keeping the aveirah in mind, i ll be aware at any moment of the danger. ''אשרי אדם מפחד תמיד''
And sorry Yosele hatsadik but this very posuk of V'chatasi lenegdi samid is the basis of tshuva.
kol tuv!

You are correct! I apologize for not reading your post as throughly as it deserves . Upon review it seems that I was encouraging something that you already know:
tshuvayid wrote on 22 Mar 2010 22:58:

^{[Here is another example of what I am told, I must learn to think before I speak :'( ]}

You are correct in the point about Ashrei adam mefached tamid too!

Once a person, C"V, has a heart attack, he will forever be considered a heart patient. He must constantly keep in mind the health of his heart. A cancer survivor has a greater risk of falling out of remission. Once an addict, always an addict. We must constantly be on GUARD! 90 days clean may make it easier, but kol od neshama be'apo, as long as we still have a breath of life, we must be vigilant for his attacks...

hey TY and HY -

me too!

pesach shopping was too much...
too many young cutie around.

sign me up for the UP-Club.

and lets starting climbing Up - once again.

hello everybody!
i have very bad news. since last motz"sh i fall every single day. i don't know what to do. please help me.
i need a lot of  chizuk!!!!

Hey TY,

Sorry to hear about your falls but glad to hear that youre back. Lets take it slow because theres no quick fix for this. Make a plan and stick to it. Choose your direction of recovery. Dov might say 12 steps, others might say to take a different route. But whatever works for you works for us.

-Yiddle

it could be that i do need to fall again and again in order to be misgaber with more strength afterwards...
it s only after tumbling down to  the lowest level one can undertake a genuine tshuva...

Tshuva your honesty is beautiful,

Send me a message if you would like to talk Bestrong1988@gmail.com

tshuvayid wrote on 23 Mar 2010 20:24:


So please tell us, how many more times do you plan to tumble before you begin bouncing back?




Sorry for the biting tone of my words. Couldn't control myself.

lol!!!!!! i don't know but i think that's enough.
i love ure sense of humor yosele hatsadik.

Teshuva - I think once you've made a concious decision that you want to change (which I think you have because you're HERE) that's a great first step.

I don't know about needing to fall again and again in order to try overcome this addiction - that could just be another trick of the Y"H (crafty guy), but I know that when I started here I certainly felt that I hit rock bottom and that was a great way to pick myself up and keep on trying.

That said, I don't think one needs to hit that point of despair before something can be done about it. "Ki Sheva yipol tzaddik vakam" is meant to give us strength to get back after a fall - not encourage us that falling is lechatchila for any reason. If you manage to pull yourself around after even one fall - that's brilliant!

However we all know how this works. This is an ADDICTION and one needs to take active measures to help us along.
People suggested the 12 steps for me but I wasn't sure I was ready for that yet (maybe yet another trick of the Y"H).

The best bit of advice that I got was to take each day at a time and "let go and let G-d" - waking up in the morning and saying something like "Hashem, I have no control over my desires and need your help. Let's work together to get through just today - because without you I'm lost. We'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow - but getting through today without a fall is all I need right now".

(I heard most of the above from people on GYE - but I'm bad with remembering from whom - so sorry for not giving credit where it's due!)