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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 22 Feb 2010 03:54 #54693

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Girls on the street:  For a bachur try going whith a chevra that's big enough for you to stand behind them, at the end of the pack. Mybe try some *shikkur* excuse of sayng mishnayos ma'al peh, or reveiwing the vort you heard. And since you arer pretending tobe shikkur, they won't bother you.

For a married person, try using a designated driver....your wife. If she is afraid to drive, but could do so wit alittle coaxing, simply drink 'just alittle bit'. Obviously she won't be crazy enough to let you take the wheel.

For hosts:  MAKE A MECHITZA!!!  The boys will be looking at your daughters, and your daughters will be taking notice of them! Even the best of kasher bachurim have been 'hesitant' when pointedly asked about such arranglements at their ROsh Yeshiva's home. I at at that very same meal, and where'as I didn't look once at the married daughter of my RY who sat 2 feet in front of me, 2 other guys where facing the girl's table, with the RY's daughters and their freinds.    They claimed that the mirsa of being caught looking made such arrangements possible, I was mean and pushed the point. They addmited to 'ain tzaddik ba'aretz asher ya'aseh tov velo yecheta".        

There is a good reason behind the practices of the Gateshead community on purim. Not wanting to be a brocken kli sheini, let'z get the british members to fill us in.




Halachikly speaking. The igros moshe on the Gemara I posted above, actualy it starts 5 lines before that, hold that it is not my issue if someone else isn't shomer einayim.  However when I asked my posek how one can invite a freind to a shabbos meal if he's not shomer einayim, he told me that as long as that guy won't "STARE" and "OGGLE" at her, there is no issue of lifnei iver.    

I don't think he was going with this klal in the igros moshe. since he holds that there is a pretext to looking at women when talking to them, delo keIgros Moshe, and merely not looking directly at the woman is mutar, also delo KeIgros Moshe. If she is innapropriately dressed, one shouldn't be looking at her even in his peripheral vision.  So apparently he is matir the Lifnei Iver part of this issue on such basis, in addition to what he holds about lifnei iver when the person has a dei to be someich on (which he gave shiur on 2 days after this psak).

ASK your LOR, and remember that even if it's not lifnei iver, they are still staring at your daughters and possibly your wife.
ABove all, do me the favor of letting me be oveid hashem, with my chumros.
So for the mere sake of human decency, KEEP THE WOMEN AWAY FROM ME!!


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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 22 Feb 2010 20:18 #54815

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...SO I totaly covered my face with the hood, and left nothing but my mouth showing (it didn't go any farther down).  After staring at my shoes for a minute, I finnaly found my place to stand, and simply shut my eyes realy hard for the entire skit. But with my face totaly covered
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with a pus like yours, I am glad to hear that it was "totally covered".  :D
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 22 Feb 2010 21:46 #54837

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me wrote on 22 Feb 2010 20:18:


...SO I totaly covered my face with the hood, and left nothing but my mouth showing (it didn't go any farther down).  After staring at my shoes for a minute, I finnaly found my place to stand, and simply shut my eyes realy hard for the entire skit. But with my face totaly covered
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with a pus like yours, I am glad to hear that it was "totally covered".  :D
That had me LOLING bigtime!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 23 Feb 2010 01:33 #54900

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That had me LOLING bigtime!!!!             :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Me2




Joking aside! Back to business..... can anyone ask some more specific questions. It's very hard to try and anticipate your questions, since most people who use the internet as regularly as I do, are not BaAlei Ruach Hakodesh!
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 24 Feb 2010 07:33 #55109

This is what I try to do:

1. Purim morning before engaging in the Chiyuv of Lebesumei- take time for a special TefilaHisbodedus davening for Kedusha and protection from the Nisyonos of the Day.
2. I try and incorporate something Talis like so that I can cover my eyes completely.
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 24 Feb 2010 21:35 #55312

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Here is the makor that Purim is greater than Yom HaKippurim.

Year after year we are awaken from our slumber, the kol shofar peirceing the layers of sin than have encrusted our hearts. It's high pitched cry, an everlasting memory to the mesirus nefesh imbued within our nation by at the Akeidas Yitzchak. From our youth, we have been instilled with sence of the yirah, and a mesorah of the avodas hayom of the  doros past. Every year, as we approach the Yemai Hadin we begin examineing our conduct, both in our interpersonal relationships and Devarim Shebain Adam Lamakom. Rabanim arouse their kehillos to teshuva, as we begin to arise for selichot. In the timeless words of chazal, Aryeh Shuag Mi Lo Yirah!?

We slowly approach the yemai hadin, sombre, and with great trepidation. With each passing day we strive to achieve greatness, in preparation for our gzar din. As we walk into shul on this glirious day, an oppertunity for teshuva, a chance to change or fortunes for the coming year. We are mitlabeish in our tallis and kittel, like meisim at the time of kevurah. Then are cleaned, nithar, and dressed in tachrichim. Pure white, naki micheit and muchan veomeid ledino shel maAlah. And here we are, shivrei keilim, soiled by our chataim new and old. Let alone that we have wasted a whole year, in not doing teshuva, and let alone that we have not fulfilled the many kabbalos we have accepted upon ourselves. We have brought additional ruin upon our souls, by intriducing a broad spectrum of new aveirus into our daily routine.

    With Tefilah Zaka yom kippur has begun. On this day even the Malachei hashareis are gripped with terror. And with a voice so inspiring, the chazan begins the seder hayom.
Al Daas Hamkom VeAl Daas Hakahal, ani mivakshim Lehispaleil im Huavaryanim!

    A soft and gently cry can be heard, as the tzibbur faces a new reality. Sifrei Hachayim Usifrei Hameisim pesuchim lefanav. We beg for our life, we plead for our children, and we share in the requests of all klal Yisrael. Parnasa, chinuch, shidduchim, cholim, machalos, achinu bnei yisrael.... is there anything we take for granted in this awe inspiring night. In our last words at night, both chazzan and kahal say "YeErav Na Sichi Aleich Ki Nafshi TaArog Eilecha". With this we end the night, the atmosphere solemn and mournfull.  

    From the very oonset of neitz, many have already filled their seats in shul, eagerly awaiting the chazzan to begin. "Adon Olam... Yigdal Elokim Chai...  Shir Hakavod... even the very structure of our introductury tefilot leave no doubt as to purpose of the next 13 hours. We try very hard to express our tefillot, as the true Avodas Halev it was meant to be, but even that we fall short of. The loftiness of the day is beyond our grasp, the somber mood too much for our patience. Maintaining the propper composure is difficult, yet we push ourselves to comply, lest we defile this holy day, lest we regret our impatients for the duration of the year.

    Yom Kippurim, does not amount the the level of kedusha, and Eis ratzon, that is Purim. On Yom Kippurim we afflict ourselves with 5 Innuyim. These 5 areas Food, Drink, Clothing, Annointing, Shoes, Marital Relations     represent the 5 cattegories in which Humanity is teathered by  the bounds of physicality. On Yop Kippur we can only attain the level of Malachim, if we deny ourselves these physical bonds. However on Purim, the Segulat Hayom enables us to utilize these very items, to use devarim Gashmi'im in attaining a greater level of kedusha, than at the final moment of Neilah, when we gloriosly proclaim!
Shema Yisrael Hashem Elokeinu Hashem Echad
....Baruch Shem Kevod Malchuso LeoLam Vaed ....
Hashem Hu HaElokim


    The level of kedush that is possible for us to attain on Purim is greater than even that! And precicely because of this, the Satan launches the worlds largest tzeddakah campaign, vacating the worlds Batei Midrashim of Lomdei Torah. He gathers our Balei batim to be mesameich at a local seudah, blinding their judgement with pretences of fulfilling the mitzvas Hayom. Our Nashim Tzidkanios, in who's zchus we owe our continuing existance, he occupies with preparing stunning Mishloach Manot, both for their families and for tzedakah, far beyond the neccesary 2 manot to 1 person, a  act of chessed that leaves little time for tefillah. Our sons are tempted by dangers and addictions that unfathomable all year long (cigaretts, fireworks, bottlerockets, knives, and BB guns), and now deemed accepted and within the spirit of the day. Our daughters are tested in adhering to acceptable levels of tznius, and not those of the costume's manufacturer. The Yetzer Hara has dominated our Yom Kadosh on both a personal and communal level. Would we ever have hosted so many girls in the presence of our sons, does the kitchen truly serve it's purpose as a mechitza? And why should bachurim be directed into the ezras nashim, to receive a check for their tzeddaka?

     The halacha is mechayeiv that Kol Haposheit Yad Notnim Lo. The explanation is well known, however sometime the most simple things, need the most reveiw. The Shulchan Aruch is replete with halachos pertaining to the propper decorum one must have, before engadging in tefila. These halachos guide us, and inspire us, in empowering both our kavana and koach hatefilah. A tefila belo kavanah, Keguf Belo neshama. The segulas hayom has proven it's capability in providing a yeshua, lema'ala miderech hateva. The institution of Yeshivas Mordechai Hatzaddik, is one such segula. But we cannot uderestimate the power of a simple tefilla, expressed from the very depths of one's heart.  

    Purim has a tremendious potential for kesusha, and for our tefillos to be Niskabeil. The recession has not affected the ability of the Robino Shel Olam to be Mefarnes. Nor has he created the shidduch crisis with no forseeable cure. Let us utilise Purim, and enjoy it, in the way it was meant to be. Albeit one does not need the same hachana as the yemai hadin, but "Hatoreich BeErev Shabbos Yochal Beshabas", and thus some measure of preparation is neccesary.

    *sorry but i am out of time. May we at least have a meaningfull purim. And utilise yayin to be misdaveik to the borei olam, to see the kiluy kvodo in all of the briah, and to attain a mussag hayediah in ruchnius, that goes beyond that normal bounds of our sechel.

*moderator's please CORRECT ALL TYPOs
* Note to self, one line of leitzanus can be mevateil 100 sichos mussar. Save the jokes for a different crowd
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 16:55 #100491

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Any new ideas?
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 17:08 #100494

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Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 10 Mar 2011 16:55:

Any new ideas?


Yes, at least some of the suggestions below may help:

Kedusha wrote on 01 Mar 2011 16:16:

After years of non-stop research, I have come up with a proposed alternative to the Twelve Steps:

1.) Wear a blindfold 24/7.

2.) Wear handcuffs (hands behind back) 24/7.

3.) Wear headphones and listen to Shiurim 24/6. 

4.) On Shabbos or Yom Tov, spend the entire time learning or davening, including between courses (and between mouthfuls) at the Seudos.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 17:17 #100496

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"Purim has a tremendious potential for kesusha, and for our tefillos to be Niskabeil. The recession has not affected the ability of the Robino Shel Olam to be Mefarnes. Nor has he created the shidduch crisis with no forseeable cure. Let us utilise Purim, and enjoy it, in the way it was meant to be. Albeit one does not need the same hachana as the yemai hadin, but "Hatoreich BeErev Shabbos Yochal Beshabas", and thus some measure of preparation is neccesary."

Quote from above

Did he mean "Purim has a tremendious potential for kesuba" hence the reference to the shidduch crisis?

Or did he mean "Purim has a tremendious potential for kedusha" obviously referring to Kedusha's well documented drinking issues?

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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 17:41 #100500

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Pardon me, but i think people mistalingly see Purim as a "no holds barred" holiday. In other words, an excuse to do whatever you want, say whatever you want, see whatever you want etc...
Thats not Purim!!!!
There is a proper way to get drunk, and a proper way to control your drinking so that you are drunk but still under control. Some people tend to fantasize about what could happen on Purim because if Im drunk so no one can blame me, anything goes so...
Its wrong! Its just the YH taking advantage of the kalus rosh atmosphere. You can drink and be drunk and still be in control. It all depends on how you go into it, and what you want to get out of it.
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 18:03 #100505

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"kesusha" may also be understood as R' Yankel Miller once explained crazy and clinton,
clinton is only ke'linton, but not the real Linton,
and ke'raizy is not the real Raizy,
and Yom KipPurim is also a whiff of Purim,
so we should eat stuff that is like sushi, ke'sushi,
but not actually sushi...
Nori hamantashen filled with wasabi
if you think about it it's pretty obvious
Sometimes life is like tuna with not enough mayonaise
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The reason I'm acting as if I'm pregnant, is because I'm expecting. I should be accepting.
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 18:06 #100506

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Me3 wrote on 10 Mar 2011 17:17:

Or did he mean "Purim has a tremendious potential for kedusha" obviously referring to Kedusha's well documented drinking issues?


You're not kidding - they want me to get my own water cooler at the office! :D ;D
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 18:08 #100507

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bardichev wrote on 21 Feb 2010 19:16:


* WARNING THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAD*


shemirateinayim wrote on 22 Feb 2010 00:38:

DO NOT belittle the issue R Bards raised. NO NO NO NO NO!
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 18:12 #100508

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If you're speaking to me, I'm allowed to defend myself against gratuitous attacks.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: purim yikes!!!!!!!! 10 Mar 2011 18:17 #100509

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bardichev wrote on 21 Feb 2010 19:16:


* WARNING THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS THREAD*




There I fixed it for you.
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