1. good question, personaly I measure these things myself to know what the souce of the feeling is. I can then choose to deepen it, or to dull it (I got alot of controll over my feelings). For regular people, mybe the source of the feeling, will set the tone.  But i got a stronger feeling that there has got ot be a 'makor' for this. Mybe ask "Yosef hatzaddik" if he's got anything on this. i can't recall anything right now.

2. The closest SA12 step line I could think of was that. Simcah allows us to "roll with the punches". To stand after a fall in full realization that this is what will make us tzaddikim, and not let us get to feel 'atzvus'

And drop the titles...I'm just another bachur. When I can learnt a sugya leamitasah and pasken a halacha from it...then you can use the R word.  it's funny how everyone calls peopel "Reb Yid", when that's the toar we use for "Reb Baruch Ber"

I hear ya! Nu Nu! Zul Zain Azoi!

I will try to drop the "Reb" thing.

One more addiction to woik on.

"Reb"Gabbeh!!
U supposed to check on me

Glaich Nuch Di Sheer! B'Ezras Hashem

Reb Efshar:

  It could be "efshar", that the Rav, was not talking about people like us.
  And, it is also "efshar", that we are not on his madreiga,and so therefore his eitzas do not apply to us. Efshar?

I only no one thing. Simcha is the highest form for one to be matzliach....period.

The shaila is anyway...what IS lev Nishbar, and what is the concept of the 12 steps where one wants to remove all of his ego, and thereby, and only thereby can he connect to Hashem. By emptying himself from all of "himself",only then can he allow Hashem to come in, and it is Hashem that we are in need of. Emptying one's ego is not the same as lev nishbar.

So, taking this into account, I have seen over, and over again that it is simply NOT pashut, to go to "lev nishbar", and then keep oneself from falling into depression. I saw this concept many times by the heileger Ba'al Shomer Emunim. If a person is not sure that he can control this lev nishbar, from leading to atzvus, and then to depression, then he must stay away, and NOT think that he is a tzadik by shovering d'lev.

I also saw in the sefer, that one in our matzav, by thinking all of the trash that we have been thinking about, and by looking at, and being miharher after all of the shmutz in the velt,  we have basically corrupted our  brains, destroyed our klei moach, and the only thing that can heal it is........ SIMCHA!!!!

And another thing:  We all see how hard it is to be b'simcha. It is so difficult, that to do this alone is such a korban to Hashem. Especially in light of our past, to go against our teva (and this what it is all about) to go against our teva, and be b'simcha.......not for us,  for Hashem's sake.  I believe that most of us who are already on the tight rope swaying to, and fro between, border anxiety, and depression, we must stay away from this derech....at least for now.

I am chozer from what I wrote.

Me, althoughyour username may let you recognise all your posts with ease, it's very hard to talk to someone named me. Bishleima if you where "myself", I could talk to myself, but "me"? It's just gramaticly wrong!

If it's really important to you, I will consider putting up a profile pic. of a cow, and call myself "Mooooo".

i just want to point out that Reb Nachman (Breslov) clearly writes that the issues people have with shmiras habris come from lack of simcha. i don't have the sefer in front of me to quote chapter and verse.

EFSHAR DO YOU EAT SUSHI ON SHABBOS??

OYOYOYOYOYOYYOSHABBOS KOIDESH!!!

Hi Guys!

Sorry, I was away for a while but B'H all's good Today. (Because all we have is today! V'Huvin)

I just got off the phone with one of the leading (very involved in helping today's generation with today's problems) Rabbonim Reb Binyomin Eizenberger Shlita. He called me due to the fact that my CE report he gets on a weekly bases looked very dark because I was B'H unsuccessfully trying to get through 2 filters for many hours B'Retsifus that I have on my PC (just comes to show how sick I really am) & was checking up on me to see if I'm ok.

To make a short story long He shared with me as we say in Bardichev a "Gevaldiger" Observation that came to him during today's Shachris which is the following.

We say "Shomer Yisroel" Shemor Sh'Eiris Yisroel......

Then we say "Shomer Goy Kodoish"......

The Shayle is What's the difference between Shomer Yisroel & Shomer Goy Kodoish?

So Reb Binyomin says that Yes there will always be a Am "Yisroel" because it says "Ki Lo Yichbeh Neiro L'Oilom Voed" But Goy Kodoish is Lav Dafka!

So we ask Hashem Please not only should you watch over Am Yisroel who is not necessarily a Holy Am Yisroel, But we ask Hashem to Watch over us that we should be a Goy Kodosh & that V'Al Yovad Goy Kodosh we shouldn't lose our Kedusha & we should stay a Holy Nation.

So he told me to have it in mind when we daven so that we can all have success in this struggle we all are so desperately fighting.

Have a Guarded Day
Efshar Letaken

Efshar litaken hmmm that name rings a bell......

which part the ruach hakodesh that efshar will come back or that I have a nursing home like some good yeedin??

a ranch in NM is were i would love to be now!!!!!!!!

Yup rage, The Rebbe Reb Bards just has that Ruach.

Me & Bards talk a lot but I told him nothing of me showing up yes ta day and yet he had that feelin.

Anyway I've been missing your dark humor lately so its nice to see you around.

I didn't understand the pic you have on your profile until I saw that tiny spark in the background which I guess is the spark of GYE or GUE but what you got wrong is that GYE's light is having a much brighter effect in the dark world & times we find ourselves in then on that pic.

Talking about Light, Here comes the Lechtiger Shabbos.

I bless you all with Shabbos for the rest of you lives.

E.L.

I will try.

Hey I guess you forgot that I'm a Flake & get easily blown away with the wind.

Also, I just read some of your Posts on the Depressed Persons Chill Spot, What can I say, You just have a gift.

Now let me go change my pants.

E.L.

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