Rage ATM wrote on 16 Dec 2009 01:05:

Ok, of course it's different with a non-jew. The nature of a jews aveirah and a non-jews 'bad deed' have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and have totally different effects.
What I said before is only true about someone who has a jewish neshamah.

Yeah, there are unfortunately times when I would like to believe that someone was accidentally switched in the hospital, and isn't really jewish, bec I just don't want to believe a jew is capable of doing such things. But the reality is to accept it and hope they return, and although this is the most difficult part - to be melamed zechus on them as well.

:-\
i'm just gonna daven they do teshuva

rage u make some valid points

yes it flies in the face of all the kiruv lovey dovey stuff

hey it's not so pretty at home we need to keep our kids (and adults) in the fold

Rage ATM wrote on 16 Dec 2009 15:31:


I truly shudder at your words. I, for one, truly hope that these people do teshuvah, as they are our brothers, as they have a nefesh Eloka mi'ma'al. You ask who are you to stand in their way if they're happy becoming goyim. Did you forget that it's now Chanuka, when a group of kohanim, the holy Chashmonaim, saw Jews becoming goyim and stood up, were moiser nefesh. We can never give up any ANY Jew, Hashem's child, as our Father in Heaven never gives up on us!  Don't every write any Jew off. No Jew is ever lost.

And one should never say something as horrifying as embracing intermarriage, even jokingly. Intermarriage should break our hearts.

Anyone here who has ever intentionally wasted seed has committed something called "chamur mikol aveiros sh'ba'Torah", worthy of "nidui", excommunication. Yet Hashem hasn't written us off. We can do teshuva for it. What makes us any better? So let's get off our high horses a little bit and let's focus on every Jew having a cheilek Eloka and loving that Jew for it regardless of what his current chitzyonius might look like. 

(See Tanya perek 32)

Remember to take everything Rage says with a few thousand grains of salt, and (maybe) you'll be OK! 

Rage ATM wrote on 16 Dec 2009 20:16:


It's not a physical holocaust, but a spiritual holocaust.  We're talking about neshamos that are being lost to the Jewish people.  People who intermarry may be offended, but they obviously don't understand (and/or care about) what's at stake.

everyone makes good points

lets just stay focused

DOWN WTIH FACE BOOK!!!!

bardichev wrote on 16 Dec 2009 20:59:


Some of us are, anyway! 

DOWN WITH FACE BOOK!!!!

and while im at it

ZAYDIE BUBBY

please don't buy yankie and Estie a  Wii

and Tatty and  Mommy

take the ipod touch off the list too!!

bardichev wrote on 14 Dec 2009 20:28:


Mr. BARDY, you are the best!
k

Maybe we can get facebook to intermarry and be lost forever.

Kollel Guy wrote on 16 Dec 2009 23:46:


Kollel guy strikes again!  :D

Ace?
HAHAHAHAHA

interesting story that just happened to me:
I have to build an application for a client that integrates with facebook. I have never used facebook in my life, I do not even know what it is, B"H.  So I went to check out their API''s. But...it was blocked! My K9 did not let me in.  And I do not even know my password.  My wife has it. And she is not around now. Go K9!