"LOL RONTF"
what ? did you sneeze?

Kedusha wrote on 14 Dec 2009 20:46:


one day at a time

bardichev wrote on 14 Dec 2009 21:04:


KEEP ON TRUCKING! 

as my rebbe DOV=REBBEREBBER

would say

keep on tryke'ing

I don't have a problem with facebook. I've never used it inappropriately. I think you must "know thyself" and if facebook makes you stumble, cancel your account.

On the whole, it's just not a good thing, even if you don't use it for any bad things.
Would you let your 16 yr old daughter use it?
It's a recipie for disaster.
I hope it becomes illegal and gets shut down.

lamed vavnik wrote on 14 Dec 2009 21:01:


LOL - Rolling On The Floor  ;D

guardureyes wrote on 14 Dec 2009 23:27:


Yikes - the Guard fell?  :o :o :o  Pick yourself up, and dust yourself off!   :D ;D

Rage ATM wrote on 15 Dec 2009 01:25:


if there was ever a girl you would let have facebook, it would be me.
me... i'm a "good" girl.

and if i had to choose the last person in the world i would let have facebook, it would be me.

i am so so so happy that i never started with it.
but you cannot decide based on what you think the girl is like.

At the Agudah Conventio internet expert Phil Rosenthal said over the following story
He was invited to speak in a certain community.Prior to his speech he was asked to meet the Local Rabbanim. He was given a heads up thae the Rabbis were lukewarm to the idea of him speaking.
So he did his homework.he accessed Facebook and put in names of random teens names place that city.He found regular teens writing the most vulgar things. He printed what seemed the "worst". At the meeting he blocked out the names.
He handed a copy to each Rav.This local girl was writing vile shmuts about herself and page after page about her father.
As all of the Rabbonim were oyying and ayying. Phil said "Gentlemen,one of you who are reading this,your daughter,wrote this about...YOU"!!! 

bardichev wrote on 15 Dec 2009 02:51:


I think that, for the most part, it tends to come down to the same thing. Which is better: that the girl not have the ability to write against her father, or that the girl not have such horrible things to write about her father? If parents have a REAL and OPEN relationship with their kids, the odds of one of their children going online and spewing hate against her parents is minuscule. The problem is that this girl had what to write, NOT that she actually wrote it. Having said all that, it's true that facebook and the internet in general are very dangerous for kids. The internet is NOT a babysitter. Or if it is, it's the babysitter who comes over, gives your kids drugs, and molests them as well (not what I would call a good babysitter).

Facebook is a social networking site. Let's think about what that means for a minute. It's a hangout, kinda like a bar, and there are all kinds of people, and the mechanism is already set up for any of the people using facebook to contact you (or your daughter) - and that includes all the unsavory people that you most definitely don't want anything to do with, as well as people who are very sweet and nice and tempting in all the wrong ways.

So it's not just a matter of trusting yourself, or your children to not do something wrong. What will they do if someone from the opposite gender wants to be their "friend?" Totally innocent, just wants to have a lot of friends so they'll look popular. but once you're friends, maybe they'll send a message saying thanks...and it can all go downhill from there.

Reb Ano - I agree that clearly, the girl has issues in the relationship with her father. but here's the thing - she has a whole community of people with whom she can comfortably share the most intimate aspects of her life, which she ordinarily would have trouble telling her closest friend. And depending on the situation, you have a whole community of angry teens encouraging her, and tellign her that it's GOOD for her to be angry at her father.

Sometimes, a person needs to be able to talk about things, and a blog can offer a great outlet. But all too often, it serves as an easy platform for people to air their anti-torah views (though of course they claim that they're supporting the way that judaism is "supposed" to be, unlike the way all those old rabbis think), and for others to support them. Kinda like porn online - it was always around, but now, with the internet, it's easier to access, so more people get involved.

REBBE MIBARDICHEV that post you wrote has me crying. I dont know whats worse but i dont care. Is just plain heartbraking. Hashem help us.

bardichev wrote on 15 Dec 2009 02:51:

This is one of the saddest things I've ever heard. Nebach!! We need a yeshuah already!! What's next??

btw, have a facebook account and never used it for anything bad...I guess it depends