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Re: making the silent battle...not. 14 Apr 2010 12:51 #61216

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outstanding!

so in other words, it sounds like an URGE is just a feeling looking for some attention.

how about if we take control and turn things around on our urges, and give them what they want... announce: GEEE, UR

(get it - turning the URGE around??  )

any feedback or thoughts from our GYE board of experts (or anyone else who feels like commenting is also welcome )??


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Re: making the silent battle...not. 14 Apr 2010 14:08 #61235

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Go silentbattle! fighting the Gee,Ur... the what?...um ok...DovInIsrael? Keep strong Silentbattle!
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 14 Apr 2010 14:25 #61243

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Thank you!

I'm not sure - I think the urge can be a very strong natural urge, a desire, too...but it's still just that - an urge, a call from the outside, and not one I need to answer.
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 14 Apr 2010 14:30 #61248

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could just be a WRONG number too !

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Re: making the silent battle...not. 14 Apr 2010 14:39 #61255

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Eh, I think the "urge" knows whom it's calling,
we do live in a generation, though,
in which a ringing telephone
seems like one of the most important things out there.
You ever been in a room where people are talking,
enjoying themselves, when the phone rings?
For instance I can picture my parent living room.
We're schmoozing, having a good old time,
sitting and laying on the couches...
and the phone rings...
One of us invariably jumps up,
looks around, makes a running motion,
trips on a few things along the way,
so that the caller won't be missed, c"v!

We just finished the week of gevurah,
I thinking being in touch with not needing to answer
is a great place to be.

Thanks SB and KUTGW!
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 16 Apr 2010 16:00 #61620

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Hello SB!!  Hope all is well in the world with you.  Have a great Shabbos!  SCI is back!!
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 16 Apr 2010 16:09 #61625

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Yay!!!

Great to hear from you, man!
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 16 Apr 2010 16:50 #61636

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SB,

I gotta hand it to you... You seem to be able to do what I cannot...
Maybe one day...

I liked that phone post by Struggle... We sometimes let stuff just control us...

Do I own my cell phone... or does my cell phone own me...? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

I get this with clothing... If I am wearing something expensive it feels as though it is wearing me... like I have to cater to it... make sure it doesn't get ruined... until I remember... "hey, this thing is supposed to be something I wear... not the opposite....

Lesson anyone?
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 16 Apr 2010 16:52 #61637

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Not sure what you mean that I can do but you can't (or at least, haven't yet)...

I like your example. I've never thought of that, and it's a good thing to keep in mind.
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 16 Apr 2010 19:48 #61668

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Yo, Sb -

have a GREAT SHABBOS, my friend.

No one is so small that he can not give help, and no one is so big that he doesn't need it.

Kol HaOlam Kulo, Gesher Tzar Meod, V'HaIkkar: Lo L'Pacheid Klal.
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 20 Apr 2010 04:24 #61990

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silentbattle wrote on 13 Apr 2010 22:57:

Had a sudden extra-strong urge today. Some stress in my life probably contributed to it a bit, plus some other things going on.

With hashem's help, I was able to get up an walk away. I was able to say, "wow, that is a really strong urge!" But still see the urge as something that's a bit separate from me, and therefore, not something I have to respond to!

Thank you hashem, thank you GYE!


That is cool ...
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 20 Apr 2010 15:14 #62050

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Thanks!

Not sure if I've mentioned this or not. It's the kinda thing I wanted to post about for a while, but I'm uncertain as to whether or not I actually got around to doing so.

A friend of mine works with developmentally disabled individuals, and the consumer (that's the current PC term for people with developmental disabilities) that he wakes up every morning has a very hard time getting up and out of bed. He says things like, "I'm just too tired to get up!" "If you understood how tired I was, you would let me sleep!" And perhaps the best of all, "When I'm tired, there's no choice - I just need to sleep more. There's no way to get out of bed while I'm still tired."

What's interesting is that we all understand how difficult it can be in the morning to get out of bed - and yet, we also understand the necessity of getting up anyway, and we all do so. This consumer honestly feels that he lacks the ability to get up while he is still tired - for him, the fact that he is tired is followed logically by the idea that he must sleep.

What's less amusing is how we all have felt the same way about our urges. We feel like when we have the urges, we need to respond to them. So often, I read posts here, or, heck, I listen to my own thoughts, and I remember this story. I do not have mental retardation, nor do I have any other developmental disabilities. Yet, my warped thinking and inability to recognize what is an urge, and what is a need, can lower my analytical abilities considerably.
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 20 Apr 2010 15:40 #62055

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silentbattle wrote on 20 Apr 2010 15:14:

Yet, my warped thinking and inability to recognize what is an urge, and what is a need, can lower my analytical abilities considerably.


Thanks for sharing this tremendous lesson. Although we may not be considered "officially mentally disabled" we (some of us) have reached a level where the decisions  that we make are illogical and incoherent. So we are disabled in this respect, we must realize that we do need assistance, and the decisions we  make under stress or any other triggering factor, are unfortunately not the greatest to say the least. We must learn to realize as you said when we are feeling "just" an urge or a need. For example we may think we NEED an ice cream cone, and perhaps it may help us get through the day but there is a major difference between need and want (unnecessary desire).
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 20 Apr 2010 20:34 #62121

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I hate being the kill joy guy...

But is it not possible that for a 'client' in a facility.... that if he is very tired he can not possibly get up on his own....

You can... does that mean that he can...?

My point?
I sometimes feel that people tell others (Ok... I mean tell me) what I can do.... but they are basing it on what they can do...
I guess it gets me frustrated...

Ok... sorry for venting my frustration like this
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Re: making the silent battle...not. 20 Apr 2010 21:05 #62124

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Maybe they just mean that everyone else's odds are much better than they imagined. Cuz if he could do it, it can't be as impossible as all that. But really, idunno.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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