Now, you may have deliberately picked Rabbeinu Yona's wording over the Rambam and Ramban, and chose to take him literally that only all of that encompasses charata. Even according to your understanding of the Rabbeinu Yona, you're okay.

I came across this today on Skep's thread:

cordnoy wrote:

'ריבונו של עולם גלוי וידוע לפניך שרצוננו לעשות רצונך'
-Even when we don't realize how well meaning we are, Hashem DOES know our true intentions.
Perhaps those words will take on new meaning this coming yamim noraim.

So again ר' קורדי, thanks for teaching me how to truly do tshuva- לכל הדעות!

you forgot the shlita.

Bigmoish wrote:


im not sure.

there might be a difference to spendin' time thinkin' about it, or just figurin' it out.

there are differences between the two.

skep (and several others) are the authority on this one.

ineedchizuk wrote:


That sure was eye-openin'!
I was even sure that it must have been a quote from someone else.
It wasn't.

And several posts later:


cordnoy wrote:


So, there certainly was that feelin' on that day.

I will need to do some thinkin' before commentin'.

thanks so much

Thinkin'?
Sounds dangerous to me! :-)

yeah, lotta thinking (or thinkin') going (or goin') on here
time for some thought-free cholent

ineedchizuk wrote:


But what choice do I have now?
simply forget about what I wrote over a year ago, or should I do some real soul searchin'?

ZemirosShabbos wrote:





But what choice do I have now?
simply forget about what I wrote over a year ago, or should I do some real soul searchin'?

either way, have some cholent first. if it won't cloud your mind.
and if it does, so have it afterwards. (is it fleishik, by the way?)

If it's not fleishik. It ain't tcholent.

{Rule # 41, See Alice in WOnderland regarding "the oldest rule in the book"}

TehillimZugger wrote:

i agree, although i think Alice would spell it "fleishig" (with a g, apologies to Cordnoy)

cordnoy wrote:


Cordy,

On the contrary, hopefully you now appreciate that you're more connected to Hashem than you think. (Not that there's anything wrong with making a cheshbon hanefesh in Elul.)

I think this is where we should take a pause, and be aware that when wonderful people like you and Dov focus on the 'simplicity' of recovery, and that we could (should?) learn from people who have nothing to do with judaism, that doesn't take away from the fact that each one of us have a very heilige neshama, that more than anything else, yearns to do the ratzon Hashem. It is content when it does, and when the opposite, it's (our) life on this world becomes unmanageable!

What you were just reminded of does not change anything. It is a fact. Before you were sold on the (true) ideas that have been helping you recover, ie. 'I'm doing this for my relationship with spouse/ for my sanity just like any Harry', your neshama cried out 'I can't take it anymore. Being distant from my wife means I'm distant from the Shchina,' etc.
The point is that when stressing one truth, it is not at the expense of the other.
'Hitting rock bottom where still on top'.
If not for our heilige neshama, maybe we would have had to sink even lower before being prepared to surrender to Hashem!

Your words are really heartwarmin'.....to such an extent that although my typin' fingers would like to argue, I will not allow them to.

thank you so much

it was a real special and meanin'ful post.

thanks

cordnoy


We are on a journey called life, riding the train, and as we move along we grow and develop. If you were to dig up really old posts of mine, a lot of them would be very different than what I write today.

If the old feelings you come across are ones you wish you still had today, then do something about it. Otherwise, don't worry.

Two statements that I have looked at several times:

ineedchizuk wrote:


And then:

skeptical wrote:


Fellows; keep on writin'.....your words can penetrate.....even to stubborn guys like me.

Thanks