I would add the following. I have gotten to know many guys here - for real. Many BH gain from GYE what they need, graduate, and move on. They would simply like to put this challenging part of their history behind them. We have to respect their decision. Some come from time to time to update their chart, and to chat with someone new and give some chizuk. Others do not even do that. Being that they got to know real people here, they hold on to some phone numbers and check in from time to time - especially if they forecast a challenging situation (a bochur going home to a house full of unfiltered devices, a married fellow going on a business trip to a potentially triggering location, etc) and want some input how to plan wisely.    When someone who developed a real relationship disappears without a trace - does not return phone calls, emails, etc., it can mean that unfortunately he slipped back in to bad behaviors and is too embarrassed to come forward, or his wife found out what was going on and said "you graduated - let's bury it", or maybe he is unfortunetely stranded on an island without phone service........

Hashem Help Me wrote on 07 Jan 2021 23:36:

very well written, notice HHM wrote "when someone who developed a real relationship disappears without a trace etc.can mean  that unfortunately he slipped back in to bad behaviors etc."
while BM wrote someone who left gye probably isnt fighting the fight anymore,how dare BM say that?! what is he a navi?! hey im cool with people not being able to admit that they wrote something inaccurate, it takes a Big Man to do that,maybe(or probably) BM doesnt fall  into that category.
Peace bros .

stillgoing wrote on 07 Jan 2021 19:25:

its written right there black on white .Interesting how someone with such eagle vision didnt see it.. 

I still don't see it, but more importantly, in keeping this a safe place for all to grow - please keep personal insults and attacks off of this forum. We are here to get sober, not pick fights over who said what. That's for your mentor/sponsor/ step 4 or diary...

i am referring to the post to Big Moish which i do not want to quote. 
Thank you 

stillgoing wrote on 08 Jan 2021 12:54:

i guess ill have to keep my Big Mouth shut next  time (even if im right),but i guess sg's message is also for BM not to voice his own baseless opinion when he is insulting 100's of gye old timers

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@Sleepy: What's your agenda exactly?

1) Who exactly would get insulted by his words? The people who aren't here? 

2) What he meant was, the people who were still struggling when they disappeared. There's no logical reason to assume they had a miraculous recovery overnight.

3) Is that the point he was trying to make, or is that nitpicking and learning up his post like a Rash"i?

4) Like SG wrote. This is a place of recovery, friendship and camaraderie. Let's try not to create an atmosphere where people must be concerned that every word they share, will be dissected and abused. 

                                  Grant 

 sg, i fail to understand why your post doesnt fall under the category of not picking  fights over who said what regarding my post. but enough hijacking this thread.

Grant400 wrote on 08 Jan 2021 14:20:


dont mean to dissect your words, you post very nicely, but are you inferring that if someone leaves gye and recovers , it has to be a miracle?
i was pm'd to please  stop hijacking, so  .

I've been off for a while. But I can attest I had my ups and downs being off gye. Sometimes this place is helpful sometimes not. But where were we on this thread? OOh yes... it was about tryin' ... 

I'm not sure exactly why, but in emails amongst some of the chevra, it was decided that there will be a call tomorrow mornin' at 10:15 EST.

cordnoy wrote on 21 May 2021 02:01:

Yes, just email me for the number please. Thank you

What are the details of the call?

Striving Avreich wrote on 21 May 2021 11:51:

We talk about recovery. There will be some book readin' as well.

Good start, thank you.

Multiple countries and states represented.

Forming an email group to discuss some of the points and schedule next call.

Chevra
Powerlessness
Surrender
Solution
Therapy
Trauma
Emotions
Workin'

Good mornin'
Calls for this week:
Tuesday the 25th today - 3:30

Thursday the 27th - 9:15 - shoot the breeze (this will not be a book readin', as I will be drivin') - maybe someone will prepare a share?

Friday the 28th - 10:15

We read from white book, big (blue) book, step into action book, and we will be addin' book from Rabbi Dr. Abraham Twerski as well - God willin'.
Thank you