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Re: For how long by now? 23 Oct 2012 22:18 #146556

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If you are afraid of hirhurei niuf v'znus, you will have hirhurei niuf v'znus. Drop it in His hands and don;t pick it up. It can lay on the floor wherever you drop it just fine. No need to pick it up to put it in a box. It burns. I have no business touching it.

Those who nebach think of it all as aveiro and evil - gevalt, how do they make it? It's such a big stinking deal! Such a personal challenge! The yetzer hora throws them down the glove!

Better for me and others to see it as just plain stupid.

You want to see it from a "Kodesh" view? OK, then call this perspective living like Odom Kodem hacheit. Lefi the RMB"N Odom saw in terms of emess and sheker - not good and bad. That original way was the way Hashem made us to see things...but he took good and bad da'as into him with the fruit.

Addicts in recovery have no need to see good and bad about their drug of choice. It is just plain stupid. Who eats poison? Who touches fire? Idiots do.

And this is not a game you can outsmart - "Ooh, this is a terrible issur. So I will see it as fire and use this mindset!" It does not often work that way. It all depends on who says it is fire and poison. Is it "Hashem"? Is it "the talmud"? My Rebbe?

That will not work for an addict, at all.

It has to be the addict himself who says it is fire and poison.

And this is for a very simple reason. See, for years we have been saying to ourselves - not with words or conscious beliefs, but with out hearts and actions: "this naked woman is the true gold! This sex fantasy is the true s'choirah!" We repeat acting out over and over so much because we are machshiv it so much - it is so valuable and precious to us. That's why we treat it that way: we keep it secret (tzniyus), we do it over and over (tmidus), we spend money and take risks for it (mesiras nefesh), and we do not give it up. This is not our 'philosophy'. It is just a fact in us. It is yekarah mipninim to our bodies and hearts. And the sooner we get over the shame and the shock and admit that to ourselves to other safe people and to Hashem, the better. If one is truly an addict, he or she must quit blaming it on "the Yetzer Hora" (which is really just a way to blame it on Hashem) and start accpeting the truth about their broken hearts.

Then we can start to say to ourselves: "But now I see that it is poison for me. Now I see how it is ruining my life. It's fire for me. I see how using it burns me and catches on to other things and destroys my relationships and my sanity." To do this requires a 1st step. Writingout all the ways we act out our lust from the very first memory till the last time we used our drug of choice. All the variations of crazy behavior we do when we act out our lust. Then find a safe person to reveal all of that to. All of it. Afterward, admit it all to Hashem.

When we know it is fire because we say so, there is still no guarantee - but at least there is hope that we will let it go for now and do that again every time we are tempted to pick it back up. It may always remain right there on the floor where we left it...we do not have to touch or rearrange it. Respect it. It is a fire. I cannot afford to touch it, so I remain sober for today, be"H.

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"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: For how long by now? 24 Oct 2012 11:46 #146569

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Thanks Dov. Needed to hear it.

Day 104.

Here, a nice chizzuk mail I just read:

I'm sure we've all had some difficult tests in the past and overcame them. If someone would offer you a million dollars to sell to him the reward and benefit that you gained in overcoming these tests, would you sell them? I doubt it.

So think about it. Do you still feel you need chizuk today? Someone who just won the lottery doesn't usually need Chizuk :-) You have something worth more than millions of dollars!

Re: For how long by now? 28 Oct 2012 17:59 #146852

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108 days.
hirhurim are away.

ò,Ó

Re: For how long by now? 29 Oct 2012 02:09 #146863

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Gevaldig! That's a tremendous credit to Hashem for helping us folks so well, and to you for being willing and ready to let Him.

Kein Yirbu!
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: For how long by now? 30 Oct 2012 19:33 #146935

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Shalom chevra!

It was going pretty good. and then, just today. I saw this dream. a horror. grrr.
I will not write down all the details...
but thats how it starts always after me being clean for a while.
i have a dream like this, and then start to think about this things again.

i did not start yet to think.. and hope will not.
thats why i write it here.. not to think about it (that i COULD start again)...

well, bye. be well. still clean, rashe teivos.

Re: For how long by now? 30 Oct 2012 19:46 #146936

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Hi RT,

I think that's pretty common. The YH can't get you when you're awake so he sneaks in while you're sleeping.

I also struggle with dreams constantly. Just last night it happened TWICE! I dreamt of acting out and got 3/4 to the "end" and i woke up and tossed and turned till the feeling passed. The main thing is to put it out of your mind. It's not your fault.

KUTGW & KOMT!!!
!אנא עבדא דקודשא בריך הוא

וּבְיָדְךָ כֹּחַ וּגְבוּרָה וּבְיָדְךָ לְגַדֵּל וּלְחַזֵּק לַכֹּל


"If it would be so easy there wouldn't be a GYE, but if it would be impossible there also wouldn't be a GYE."
"Sometimes a hard decision leads to an easier outcome."
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Re: For how long by now? 31 Oct 2012 17:48 #146997

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111 days (according to my count...90days-charts taynes, there are just 110 days, veyesh lepakpek bidvorov)

Well, yea, It IS quite normal, I agree. But the hirhurim come back.

Right now it's hard again.

hmm.

Hope some chizzuk mails will do their job...

Interessant. In fact everything in the world shries: Avoidas Hashem!!!
from the other side, A LOT OF THINGS shrie: Prizus! hefkeirus! znus! hey, mister jew, come to us! grrr.

And if you say "yes" to the bad side the yetzer will not let you have so much geshmak... chas veshulem you should not miss gehinnom in Oylam haze gam ken.

grrr.

Its hard right now.

Be well chevra..
If you could be mispalel for me? ulay yeracheim.
RT

Re: For how long by now? 31 Oct 2012 19:39 #147006

Machshovo wrote on 31 Oct 2012 18:46:

...Pretend it's day 1 and give it all you got, and ditto for tomorrow etc.

בכל יום יהיו בעיניך כחדשים

Hatzlacha

MT

Re: For how long by now? 31 Oct 2012 21:45 #147019

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Until you are actually working a program of real recovery - whether it is the 12 steps or something else, that's not the point - you are just holding your breath. How long does Hashem want you to hold your breath? I doubt He wants any of us to hold our breath at all!

One who is working a program is focused on working his program - not on not touching his penis. The one who is focused on 'not touching' is already touching it all day long in his mind, no? A waste of time.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: For how long by now? 01 Nov 2012 17:56 #147052

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yup think *BUT NO GREEN ELEPHANTS*

Re: For how long by now? 02 Nov 2012 09:32 #147103

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Day 0

Re: For how long by now? 02 Nov 2012 14:30 #147118

Sorry to read about that, RT. We are confident that you will start fresh
ביתר שאת וביתר עז

Now you have double experience: You did it before, so you can do it again. And you also know what pitfalls to avoid.

May it be a yerida letzoreh aliya. Hatzlacha!

MT

Re: For how long by now? 02 Nov 2012 16:55 #147127

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Omein
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."

Re: For how long by now? 04 Nov 2012 03:01 #147154

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dov wrote on 02 Nov 2012 16:55:

Omein

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?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?

Re: For how long by now? 04 Nov 2012 03:56 #147160

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TehillimZugger wrote on 04 Nov 2012 03:01:



Omein

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You either need to get a life, or get more Woodford. It's one or the other, buddy.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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