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KidusHashem wrote on 19 Feb 2012 05:56:
I would like to take a slightly different approach than most people to answering your question.
I think that theoretically, having Yiras Shamayim would help you to stop mast*****. (I would roughly define Yiras Shamayim as a tangible relationship with G-D).
The problem is that Yiras Shamayim is not born overnight by reading a few paragraphs of Chovas Halevavos or Shaarei Teshuva. It is born from many months of learning, but mostly practicing, character change, performance of Mitzvos and learning Torah. The combination of all of the above leads one to building a solid relationship with the Almighty.
The thing is, can a wife expect to build a relationship with her husband while she cheats on him? Even if she washes the dishes, raises his children and does everything else right, her betrayal of her husband is usurping and undermining the fundamentals of the relationship! Even if she wants to stop cheating and find favor in the eyes of her husband, it will take her a long time to do so, all the while scrupulously showing him her devotion and love.
The same is true with us. Trying to build up your Yiras Shamayim on your own will most likely be futile. You can go and learn mussar or chassidus, do mitzvos and learn Torah, but this will not lead to a building of your relationship with Hashem b/c you will not be able to stay sober long enough to do so. If you end up falling into lust while you're trying to build your relationship with Him, what value does it have? What does all your service to Him mean if you're ruining the foundation of the relationship while doing these external things? You need a Rebbi and a good friend to help you get there and they need to know exactly what the issue is and they can help you through with it. I believe that that is what the 12 steps group essentially is (co addicts and sponsors= Rebbi+Chaver). The less good options are trying the forum and 12 step calls (a step up from the forum) where you can develop relationships with people who can help you get better and change your character traits/ develop Yiras Shamayim.
I'll start from the end the first step of the 12 is that you can not help yourself! ok so i am not convinced that that is the case i still hope and believe that i could help myself fact i'm clean for 10 days.
I think that you have a very strong point that living with emunah does not happen over night, but falling whil working does not mean that all work that was done went down the drain (i hope i will not fall) b/c slowly slowly you get it to work for a longer time.
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your point profes that i'm right i would never be mchalel shabbos but do go to all kinds of sites and m... does that mean the "masturbating and watching porn is not a religious issue for me"? or that it is not as chusiv like shabbos? so increasing my yiras shomayim will help me feel to porn like shabbes,
I am reading the hand book now.
Quote from:TehillimZugger
"suppose he's not your father, he's still the REBBE but he comes to wake you every single day, would you still have a problem ignoring him?"
i think this answers your emuna issue, think about it"
it not the same b/c if my wife or even a good friend would be watching me EVERY DAY i think i would not fall!! so i;m back to the emuna issue again.