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Re: post yom kippur 18 Oct 2011 23:24 #122135

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strugglingandstrivngBT wrote on 18 Oct 2011 22:46:

I'm so glad youre doing so well!
I need to work on my blocks of time with nothing going on.  Those kill me.

also, I wrote a diary piece for the first step. I know its soon after my fall, but I wanted to get something out of me.

I watched a dvd and fell today.  I fell yesterday too.  I fall a lot.  I don’t necessarily believe how bad it is, but I know I waste full days after.  I feel so bogged down by spiritual tumah.  I cant stop.  I don’t always want to stop.  It’s much easier to just let it happen and have a lazy day after.  The problem is it kills me.  I am not who I want to be.  I am not who I am.  I am a liar, a thief and a mental rapist.  I have lost the sensitivity to spirituality that I once had.  I have lost the ability to see females as souls.  I have lost the ability to go more than a week clean.  I cant stop it.  I really cant.  I want to.  I’ll stand there, with it in my hand debating.  I often fail.  Sometimes I succeed but it only lasts so long.  The craving is so strong.  I come up with reasons why I can but they are never as good as the reasons to get clean.  I want that glow that I get when I am clean.  I don’t want to feel so dirty, so dishonest, so evil.  I want to feel pure.  I have to.  I cant make a difference in the world, in my soul if I keep falling.  I’m sure this is a tikun I need to work on.  I’m not ready, but I want to be ready.  I cannot do this without HAshem and His Torah.  I know that. 
I often see Hashem in the world.  I cant appreciate it when I am stuck like this.  I often watch my shabbos get ruined by my weekday activities.  Days ruined.  I cant fix that without doing this.  I need to open myself up.  To break myself down.  I cant do it alone. Please G-d help me.  Help me to believe, help to heal, help me to overcome.  I cant do it alone.  I dont believe that, but I know it's true.

beautiful.
?דער באשעפער לאווט מיך אייביג. וויפיל לאוו איך עהם
My Creator loves me at all times. How great is my love for him?
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Re: post yom kippur 18 Oct 2011 23:37 #122137

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Hi chaver
sounds like you don't really want to do anything about this issue. I must say, I don't see why you should. Your life is not UNmanageable, and you're clearly enjoing yourself to the point of debating the virtues of not doing it with "it" in hand. This problem is not real for you, and other than the imaginary spiritual damage, there is nothing else in your life that suffers from your touching yourself on a regular basis. So I would say (with the exclusion of all others on this forum) don't worry yourself so much about ejaculating on your lap while worshipping human body parts. Hey, it's a multi-billion dollar industry, and someone has to support it. It will probably become progressively worse, and you may start looking for a live (though not real) person to act out with, or turn to some kind of perversion or fetish to keep up the excitement levels. You may or may not get caught, and it may or may not ruin your chances for a fullfilling relationship with a real human woman, your wife. But why worry about things that are so far ahead, and it's not even for sure that they will happen?
There is nothing I can tell you that you don't already know, because we're talking about you, who I know nothing about.
But I found this article the other day and it sounds like it's talking to me. So perhaps if you read it, you'll find that it's talking to you. I'll post the text and the link in a separate post for ease of reading.
Thanks for letting me vent. I'm a bit hang over from Simchas Beis Hashoeiva last night. I stayed up drinking with a friend in my suka working out the issue of "living in the moment" and "taking life one day at a time". But that's beneficial for addicts only, so you wouldn't find it useful. 
Baby steps.
If the road is pulling you down, it's a sign that you are going uphill, so just press harder on the gas!

Have a great day - unless, of course, you made other plans.
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Re: post yom kippur 18 Oct 2011 23:39 #122138

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http://alcoholism.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=alcoholism&cdn=health&tm=165&gps=113_5_1093_538&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.bma-wellness.com/papers/Obstacles_Recovery.html
Obstacles to Recovery From Addiction
Floyd P. Garrett, M.D.
The principal obstacles to recovery from any addiction are ignorance,              shame, dishonesty, and personal exceptionalism.
Unfortunately for the addict these roadblocks to recovery are almost always cleverly situated and sited like military forts to provide mutual support in fending off all attempts at recovery.
Simple ignorance of addiction and recovery, for example, is in theory easily remediable by exposure to accurate medical information on the topics – but the adjoining and interlinked "forts" of shame  and dishonesty serve to limit the amount of understanding the addicted individual can acquire about his real condition. Similarly, the rectification of the dishonesty and evasiveness that is a central and necessary part of the psychology of addiction is rendered far more difficult by the co-existence of the addict's ignorance of addiction and his resulting shame about his addictive behavior.
The personal exceptionalism of the addict permits him to outflank facts and moral considerations that would normally prove decisive in halting or at least decelerating his addiction. Because the addict believes that he is "not like those other people" and that "his case is special," he has a virtual blank check to rationalize and justify behaviors on his part that contravene his personal values and beliefs.
The price of such personal exceptionalism, however, can be quiet steep: when he keeps bruising himself against the stubborn facts of the case, the addict experiences intense shame and humiliation. Precisely because he is an exception, he is "not supposed to be like that." His personal grandiosity merely makes him a bigger target for "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune." Every time he tries to walk on water he gets wet, an unpleasant and embarrassing experience that requires the assistance of the neighboring "fort" of dishonesty to explain away(the water was too cold, he wasn't in the right frame of mind, onlookers were making too much noise, &etc.).
Personal exceptionalismmakes it difficult for the addict to seek or accept help for his problems. Other people, people unlike himself, can and should receive help in overcoming their addictions – but he, precisely because of who he is, should neither need nor obtain such help. To do so would be a serious threat to his entire system of uniqueness.
The addict is caught between the proverbial rock and a hard spot in regard to his personal exceptionalism, for if he fails to live up to the grandiose and unrealistic expectations it requires him to fulfill, he experiences feelings of failure, shame and humiliation – but on the other hand, if his personal exceptionalism itself is threatened, he feels precisely the same feelings for not having been what he thought he was but instead an ordinary person "like everyone else."
An alcoholic having serious problems such as health, marital, legal and job difficulties from his drinking may feel that his drinking is both justified and necessary because of his exceptional situation, that other people(doctor, spouse, judge or employer) are exaggerating and "making too big a deal" out of admittedly real but in his opinion minor difficulties, that he can and will stop drinking or cut back whenever he decides to do so, and that he doesn't need any help, professional, AA or otherwise in managing his drinking. At the same time he may be deeply ashamed of himself and the problems his drinking has caused him and others – but his dishonesty makes it impossible for him to admit this to himself. He develops paranoid defenses of the "why is everybody out to get me?" and "why do I keep getting the shaft?" variety that permit him to hide behind a victim smokescreen of resentment and self-pity and thus to avoid coming to terms with his own behavior.
The psychology of addiction is by no means limited to alcoholism. In order for the increasingly irrational and harmful effects of an addiction not to stop the process dead in its tracks, a complex and sophisticated set of ever-changing rationalizations, loopholes, exceptions and special considerations must be developed to explain away what otherwise would be inexplicable: the simple question that the addict is frequently asked by amazed and bewildered others, "Why do you keep doing it?"
This of course is precisely the question to which the addict has no truly rational or even sane answer. But though he has no good or even sensible answer to the question "Why do you keep doing it?" the addict is seldom at a loss for rationalizations, justifications, excuses and explanations for his harmful and irrational behavior.
Addictive rationalizations and justifications usually involve both denial or minimization of the actual negative consequences of the addictive behavior together with a displacement of responsibility for it. The addict begins to feel like a misunderstood, unfairly treated and criticized victim of Fate - and of the mean-spiritedness of other people. Resentment, self-pity and the resulting sense of addictive entitlement –"If I am going to be treated this badly, I might as well drink, drug, or do whatever it is I like to do!"- provide emergency justification for still more irrational addictive behavior.
The effect of the various psychological defenses that protect the addictive process is to prevent the addict from grasping what is actually happening to him and thus to prevent him from learning from experience. Individuals suffering from addictive illness display a remarkable inability to "connect the dots," to see the big picture, and to recognize the forest rather than the trees. They certainly realize that something is going seriously wrong in their lives as the negative consequences of the addictive process continue to mount up – but it is very difficult for them to see that the addiction itself is the chief source of their multiplying difficulties. Only in retrospect, after some period of recovery from their addiction, do they usually begin to understand how pervasively harmful it was to them.
The shame, dishonesty and personal exceptionalism of the addict may result in a grandiose and defiant false self that serves to protect the addict from his often intense underlying feelings of personal inadequacy and guilt. This addictive false self functions like a suit of armor to conceal the vulnerabilities of the real self – but in many cases the protective armor grows so extensive and cumbersome that the real self is completely covered up by it. The result is inner as well as interpersonal alienation and the virtual cessation of emotional growth. And because the addictive false self is constructed and maintained to meet the requirements of the addiction and not of the living individual, the real self becomes progressively isolated, diminished and devitalized as the addictive self expands and grows stronger at the expense of the weakened and fearful real self.
Recovery from addiction thus means recovery of the real self and the resultant resumption of healthy inner and interpersonal connectedness and emotional growth. The addict is psychologically estranged not only from others but first and foremost from himself. The overt and obvious behaviors of the addict represent at most the tip of the iceberg so far as the actual consequences of his addiction to him are concerned.
http://alcoholism.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=alcoholism&cdn=health&tm=165&gps=113_5_1093_538&f=00&tt=14&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.bma-wellness.com/papers/Obstacles_Recovery.html
Baby steps.
If the road is pulling you down, it's a sign that you are going uphill, so just press harder on the gas!

Have a great day - unless, of course, you made other plans.
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Re: post yom kippur 19 Oct 2011 00:39 #122140

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Of course I dont want to.  I want to want to.  my soul and self ache but it's hard.  I'm ready to do it anyway.  I know about the dangers of the future.  I know about the turmoil of the past.  the present is much safer though.  thats a problem.  i need to convince myself that I need help, NEED help.  I know I need to but i dont feel it.  THat being said, I want to want it, like I said.  so I need to make the first steps and hope my emotions follow suit.  I'm sorry if I upset you, but I am not even having a simcha beis hashoeva.  I'm in a small town just trying to get to minyan with a broken down car.  im not making excuses for my behavior, just my circumstances.  I should be better at controlling myself, but I'm an addict.  ok I said it.  I know its true, but my rock bottom is so long ago that I dont feel it anymore.  now I'm just an occasional "drunk" that "drinks" treif wine.  What do I do?!
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Re: post yom kippur 19 Oct 2011 00:39 #122141

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and btw the article spoke to me but not so much.  Not sure why...maybe not enough attention...
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Re: post yom kippur 19 Oct 2011 23:47 #122172

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Chaver, your diary entry brought a few tears to my eyes. I could have written it. I have not fallen in 5 days, but I know that if I were to sit here and think "I'm all better now!" I'd be doomed. I could end up writing something similar tomorrow. I have no idea what's to come. I just keep struggling to avoid temptation. I could probably look at a series of Rorschach inkblots and tell you that every one of them was an attractive woman! It's a mess.
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Re: post yom kippur 23 Oct 2011 03:11 #122199

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i feel you.  i came close this eve.  I was with some females over chag, one of which I kind of like. I would never do anything inappropriate, but she's not at my level of observance (as I type this HAA!).  the whole thing made me a bit confuse and lonely, which brings on temptation for artificial stimuli.  without the coach of yom tov I would have falllen for sure.
another day.  All we can do is try one day at a time.  i just gotta say that a lot, and mean it!
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Re: post yom kippur 24 Oct 2011 00:09 #122262

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so my covenant eyes is working, in that Im not going to sites but I am looking at profile pics on facebook that are triggering.  i have such a craving.  i feel its been brought on by loneliness, and stress of travel.  i need some help but again, im not letting Hashem in to help.  I actually feel really far from Him right now.  trying hard to stay strong though.  trying hard....
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