Welcome, Guest

tikkun haklali?
(0 viewing) 
A platform of recovery for Jews who find themselves struggling with addictions to pornography, masturbation or other sexual problems. Post anonymously about your struggles without fear of anyone finding out who you are. Ask questions, post answers and be inspired! Get tips and guidance from the experts who moderate this forum, as well as from fellow strugglers.
  • Page:
  • 1

TOPIC: tikkun haklali? 289 Views

tikkun haklali? 01 Jul 2011 17:20 #110125

  • ICanRepair
so last night i suffered a mikrei-layla.

though i'm not a breslover, in my struggle I have taken a lot of hischazkus from rebbe nachman.... to never give up, to find a nekuda tova within myself to do teshuva, talking to Hashem etc..... the tikkun haklali.

as you might know, he says that someone who says the tikkun haklali on a day he experienced a mikrei layla has nothing more to worry about for it has surely been repaired from this. it's an absolute remedy.

will someone better explain to me how it works? it almost sounds too good to be true, but of course it is true B"H!!!

do others here say the tikkun haklali?

thoughts? further clarity? thank you
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 01 Jul 2011 18:42 #110141

  • coby613
I also have become somewhat of a breslover.  I'm prolly a bit more hardcore (studying in depth nachman's teachings and wisom) but I find the tikun hakleili thing hard to believe too.  Rav nachman's answer to everything was simplicity.  He stressed that as long as a yid keeps things simple as possible, he has the better lot in life.  and I've found that it works.  The less I let things get complicated, the easier my life goes.  The tikun hakleili thing is probably some extension of that thought, but the most i've learned about it (so far) is that tehellim are the most powerful and simple forms of tfillah, because they were written from the neshama.  the tikkun hakleili, therefore are the most powerful tehillim for a general bad situation (and it goes without saying that it also includes specific ones).  That's all I've learned basically so far, but i still have about 60 something  shiurim to go+.....
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 01 Jul 2011 19:37 #110148

  • ICanRepair
coby613 wrote on 01 Jul 2011 18:42:

Rav nachman's answer to everything was simplicity.  He stressed that as long as a yid keeps things simple as possible, he has the better lot in life.  and I've found that it works.  The less I let things get complicated, the easier my life goes......


thanks Coby, an important reminder. Rebbe Nachman's story of the Chacham V'Tam, "The Sophisticate and the Simpleton" drives simplicity home big time.

I had never thought of the tikkun haklali being an extension of the idea. adraba, it struck me as anything but simple. See Rabbi Nachman's Wisdom #141 how it came into the world, "this remedy has not been revealed since the time of creation." www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33439&st=&pgnum=282&hilite=

what shiurim do you listen to?
Last Edit: 03 Jul 2011 04:44 by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 03 Jul 2011 06:05 #110165

  • Blind Beggar
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Not a sexaholic, just trying to be good.
  • Posts: 780
  • Karma: 12
Here is a short explanation of the Tikkun Kloli. I hope it is informative.

The whole world is built on ten sefiros: Keser, Chochma, Bina, Chesed, Gevurah, Tiferes, Netzach, Hod,Yesod and Malchus. The gemorrah in Pesachim 117 says that sefer Tehillim is composed from ten expressions of song,which we learn from the Zohar Hakodesh correspond to the ten sefiros.
Any collection of ten chapters of Tehillim which contain all ten expressions contain the essence of the whole sefer Tehillim and several mekubalim compiled lists of ten chapters of Tehillim containing all ten expressions to say everyday as a segula for  various things.
It was also known that there are ten specific chapters which would fix the pegam of zera levatolo which is pogem in all ten sefiros, and many mekubalim tried to find them to help people fix their aveiros. Hashem did not want to reveal this secret until He decided that the time was right. He revealed it to the tzadik Rebbe Nachman of Breslov zt”l, a great-grandson of the Baal Shem Tov zt”l. The ten chapters are 16, 32, 41,42, 59, 77, 90, 105, 137, and 150. Since they fix all ten sefiros, they fix every pegam and every sin and therefore they are called Tikkun Kloli, the All-encompassing Remedy.
Rebbe Nachman zt”l explained briefly how they work and the great mekubal Rav Yitzchok Meir Morgenstern shlita explains at length how they work according to kabbolo in his sefer, Yam Hachochma.
The Tikkun Kloli cannot take the place of teshuva, but after one has toivled in a mikva, the Tikkun will remedy all the damage that was done. The Tikkun takes about ten minutes to say and is effective even if one does not understand the words, like all Torah shebiksav.


For the sake of honesty I want to say that I did not write this to answer your question. I wrote it a few months ago for my thread in the Bais Medrash and copied and pasted it here.
The Blind Beggar is a character in Rebbe Nachman's story of the Seven Beggars.
If I view a woman as an object, I am powerless over lust, but I don't have to look.
I can guard my eyes.
I want to guard my eyes.
I do guard my eyes.
Why do I say these four lines?
Last Edit: 03 Jul 2011 11:37 by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 03 Jul 2011 09:58 #110166

  • tzaddik90
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 668
  • Karma: 1
ooh, soothing to my soul.

BB, we say that SA is a spiritual program, and that it is not really yesod which is pagum, but actually the GIMEL RISHONOS. That's why except for step one, all the rest work on the mochin.

The explanation for this is simple-the mochin are mashpia onto the middos, like we know from 2nd perek of tanya, etc.

so if we can fix the mochin, then ima ilaah will be molid healthy banim, and yesod will be nistakein. if we only work on yesod wothout the mochin, it does nothing. Hence, we need to work the steps/therapy/torah tshuva, anything and all to fix those mochin.

deeper, chachmah and binah are supposed to be the train rayin dilo misparshin, always in yichud.
Well, for the addict, there is actually no yichud between them, for if there were, they would be molid daas and they wouldnt be lusting, would they?...

well, even in sa, or any program, its not merely enough to try putting abba and ima back in the same room-we need them to be panim bipanim.
if not, then whether they are panim biachor, achorbiachor, or even if their eyes are not yet meeting, then the mochin will not properly be bizivug and work together like they need to.

if my chachmah and binah are not really bizivug,just like i want my wife and i to have real harmony, real shalom bayis, then the chachmah will have alot of nice info inside him, but his binah will do dofferently than the chachmah, her baal; his chachmah will have no giluy, so all the vorts and books will not help him. if the wife, ima is not lined up with chachmah, then binah will do things without the consent of chachmah, and with her lack of chachmah, this is a bad matzav. binah without chachmah is like a loaded gun in the hands of a baby. mibinah dinin misarin, so we want those dinim to be kadosh, but without chachmah, these dinim will be gvuros dimisaavusa, and THAT is where the resentment, defiance, anger of the addict comes from.

true, the sefer hachinuch says that the middos are also mashpia on the mochin-right? he says that the livavos are nimshach after the peulos. but this is not the ideal way to live. this is a low level. the word melech stands for moach lev kaved. the moach is the melech and thats how it should be.
but someone who's led by his lev is lemech, an idiot.

well, addicts are idiots, arent they...their mochin are all but completely destroyed, so we actually have to rebuild with the lev first, without mochin.
so for this we do step one-we learn about yesod and work on stopping the shmutz without any invovlement from the brains. dont think, just stop.
that works, but only so far.....because if we only build yesod, it will not keep us sober. why? because at the end of the day yesod needs some food from ima illah or else he will be yavesh.
this is why we work step two, kinegged the ain sof, kesser and chachmah. and from there we move onto step three which is hod. we do step four which is a mega binah builder.
and so on.

so once we use the 7 tachtonim to get 1% normal and sane, we need to keep going now via the mochin to rebuild them and let them nurture the 7 tachtonim.

the lessons from this:

first, get clean and do a real step one. or else a person has no chance. he is tohu vivohu.

next, build those mochin. steps two and on.

being sober today without changing the way i live will NOT last/ yesod without mochin. in fact, even yesod will not really be in tikkun. just cuz a guy isnt using his hands to act out does not AT all be near what tiikun yesod means. tikkun hayesod means machshavos tihoros, kdusha, tahara. a full zivug of the chassadim and gvuros of netzach and hod, perfect relationship with God.

working the steps helps keep me sober and build those mochin.

here's where i add my little but huge point-i think there is a certain point in program where the mochin get to where they get and then stop. but our objective is to build them COMPLETELY, right? so we should do anthing that confuses or jeopardizes program, no sir. Program is like an iv. keep it in for now. maybe take it out in ten years after you know that your mochin mamesh reach gadlus. the way they are meant to be.

but i found for myself that there are supernatural ways to build those mochin and make my program go on steroids-that is, with tshuva.

why tshuva? because tshuva is mitakin by binah, right? and my binah is what is ruined from all of my gvuris ditumah, defiance resentment anger hatred. right? so binah is the key player in my recovery.
so when i do tshuva, i am mamtik those dinim bisharsham, and i become free more and more from my illness. how? because the steps are to free me from all this resentment, self reliance....gvuros gvuros gvuros... . So my tshuva, if done in the way that i mean (which i did not share yet) can be mamtik those dinim.

UNLESS I WIPE AWAY THOSE KLIPOS I WILL ALWAYS BE ATTACHED, EVEN IN PROGRAM FOR 50 YEARS, BECAUSE I NEVER WERE MIVARER THOSE KLIPOS. program helps me get stable enough to do some avodas Hashem to cry and do some tshuva. but sa itself doesnt wipe away much. it just gives me this daily reprieve.

well, i dont want only a daily reprieve- that's just mochin dikatnus, big deal. where does it get me if i can keep going further?.... .

of course, its better to settle for katnus then shviras keilim, i agree.

but can we think about asking our trusted kabbalistic tzaddik advisor if it is possible to go further and not just refrain from acting on these klipos but actually destroying them?

i spoke to a famous rav in j-lem last week, who read the big book and is somewhat in the know of addiction. no, he's no addict himself, but he's very in the know. he makes referrals to GYE SA and more all to often.  so he told me that the steps are certainly inl ine with the sefiros nad that the extra steps i propose are logical in the tahalich of recovery. and a mikkubal who can see the kdusha side has seen in his way of seeing that this is right. in fact, he was the one that explained it to me.
i have found from personal experience that this is really helping my recovery.

when addicts try do tshuva and it doesnt keep them sober, thats pashut. they never were even clean enough and sane to stand a chance. and tshuva doesnt help too much for a guy with schitzofrenia, or out of control intake of lust and tumah. for the twenty words of kdusha he utters in his tshuva, he pumps into the 3 livushim ten thousand liters of tumah. he is progressively moving into mitzulos yam, so the tshuva wont clean more than 000.1 percent of that lachem tamey.
further, i doubt a non clean addict can do tshuva-because he has not yet worked the initial steps to establish any connection with God. when he does tshuva, he probably is just imposing upon god to help him, like it says in the 12 and 12, step two.

further, it says that Hashem finds the gvaah lev, the haughty one, a toeeva, and his tfillos are meeuss to Hashem, see gmara in sotah, orchos tzaddikim, etc. So this addict suddenly needs God and God isnt listening, so it wont get him NOWHERE.

tshuva is tashuv-hey, the shechina.
we cant do any tshuva before we first are mimaate our size and be makir mikomeinu. thats the first step of tshuva-to knock down the pessel of gaavh that we made of ourselves with our self intellect, reliance, will, etc.

but ONCE WE get a bit past this point, i found that i can begin to do a little tshuva. and that i see great things from it-very slowly, but progressively.


and when my binah is built up completely from the steps, therapy, torah, tshuva-all of them- then a person can be finally on the OTHER side-the sitra yimina, and not just stuck always in the mire of countering the tumah on a daily basis, but actually turning tha mar into masok, like it says in tanya and tha hakdama to zohar bireishis.

if the 12 and 12 says these steps are suggestions, and it is based on experience, and in step two it says to be open minded, so lets be a little open minded to this too.just to ponder these words. thats all.
maybe it wont work for you. maybe it wont really work anymore for me. but i want to contribute this at least for inspection.

and the last word-if your sobriety and gaavah is not stable enough to take your eyes off program for even a moment, then dont waste time doing anything i said here.
what i wrote here is physical therapy, to teahc the car accident victim to walk and run again. but if you reading this, bikul asar viasar, is still in the icu in the hospital, on respirators, then dont ever dare gettingo out of the lung machine just yet, because you can really lose everything, and even your life, God forbid, and hit bottom bihay alma and bialma diassi.

even i am taking a risk by doing this myself-because i am taking at least 1% focus off of program. but thats my decision. but me, my chachmah and binah are certainly not yet panim bipanim either, so dont follow my example.
but like space exploration, lets push the envelope if we can afford it, and see where can we go next.

Hashem should help us make the right choices, and if we work on lowering our ego and looking to God, he WILL show us more and more of the way to tshuva, may this be his will and what we do. amen
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 03 Jul 2011 10:24 #110167

  • ben durdayah
  • Current streak: 49 days
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • No, that is not a mouse...
  • Posts: 1253
  • Karma: 5
Avi -

That was long and deep.

I thought that you gave up kabbalah for sanity's sake. I see the remez of what made you change your mind in this post.

But is that really the way to go?

Once we start SA recovery with a strong step/s 1 and or 2-3, we should go back to Aneinu LeRashash?

I'm trying to understand.

E
For Dov and the other two guys who care,
My real name really is
 Eli
Like the original Bendy, Ein hadavar talui ela bee




 
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 03 Jul 2011 19:27 #110187

  • coby613
Rav Tzi Hirsh Rosenfeld, shlita, ZT"L, gives a long course on  Rav Nachman's teachings.  Search google for "Breslov Torah World" and the page should be one of the first ones.  to save, right click the link, click save link as and choose a name (if you want to rename) and location to put it.  There are 101 shiurim in the course.  I find it highly interesting, although i've been rusty on my kabbalah study myself (not since yeshiva in IL) so I have to go over some points more carefully.  If i can find the shiurim written down, that would be a good start.
Last Edit: 03 Jul 2011 20:58 by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 04 Jul 2011 00:25 #110216

  • ICanRepair
Thank you BlindBeggar, that was very helpful. From your name, it seems the Sippurei Maasiyos of Rebbe Nachman must be dear to your heart. I can't even imagine how special a tzaddik Rebbe Nachman must have been for Hashem to choose him to bring the tikkun hakloli into the world after all this time.

Tzaddik90, that was waaaaaaaaay over my head! (My exposure to sifrei-chassidus/kabbala is rather limited, basically to a sliver of Rebbe Nachman, primarily his lessons in hischazkus which are so helpful in our particular struggle)

Coby, I think you mean Rav Tzvi Aryeh Rosenfeld, who was niftar? I've heard of him. Will IY"H check it out. Thank you.
Last Edit: 04 Jul 2011 00:31 by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 04 Jul 2011 07:27 #110225

  • tzaddik90
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 668
  • Karma: 1
no no no durdaya,
its all the same-THATS the discovery; with program behind us, when im healthy enough and sober enough to finally use my head, without all that rid interference and lust images, then i am muchan umizumzn to work like a sweating dog over my gaavah, yeshut, choser savlanut , choser emunah and kinah sinah, and i work on lowering my ego and attaining humility from program and ani/ain, and from my really hard genuine work that makes my head ache, i also work my middos program. these mussar sfarim were created to work. the problem is that us addicts didnt know how and were too unhealthy. but when you are doing a 2nd 3rd step paper and you go talk to several great balei mussar who can help put you in your place, cut you down to your right size, THEN youve just put program on steriods. with my working hard on these character defects get me sick and bedridden and i try to realize how much i destroyed in my life of the olamos, my wife, others, myself, and i can really want to do tshuva and actually follow a hard program of tshuva,from all this i find my character defects and klipos of being stuck to lust and koala viewing wearing away more and more each day.

i really am zoche to see a little of how our ti=orah enhances and pumps up program, how program is in line mostly with the sefiros

and pele yoetz btw says what i wrote in last post too, vihamaskilim yaveinu.

when you have a glimpse of the sefiros, ,middos, and of program and they are one, so i do both together to to far places. this is what is working for me.
like i said-it will not work for someone who is not healthy enough to try it-harey, it didnt work for any addict and thats how we all wound up here on gye. but when ourhance our work and work like dogs on our middos raos, and see results. that is all mochin heal, and get daas, we can en


sorry the wordsare out if order i used s/one else's weird keyboard with bipolar gilgul disorder
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 05 Jul 2011 17:08 #110361

  • Yosef Hatzadik
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • A GYE'er since 2010
  • Posts: 2986
  • Karma: 10
tzaddik90/Special Weapons And Tactics wrote on 03 Jul 2011 09:58:

ooh, soothing to my soul

............., so lets be a little open minded to this too.just to ponder these words. thats all.
maybe it wont work for you. maybe it wont really work anymore for me. but i want to contribute this at least for inspection.



.... and I actually learned this whole shtickel Torah!!!
Last Edit: by .

Re: tikkun haklali? 08 Jul 2011 09:39 #110662

  • ToAdd
  • OFFLINE
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 404
  • Karma: 2
"sorry the wordsare out if order i used s/one else's weird keyboard with bipolar gilgul disorder" made me laugh out loud.

But back to the topic, thanks T90 for that post.
I feel like it's what I need to hear. I don't think I understand much, but what I got out of it is that I'm probably failing because I haven't done the initial steps properly.
I fall because I'm still trying to run and jump when I'm still in the recovery ward (or perhaps even the ICU).

Where do I start? Where is that link to the 12 steps as it applies to us?
Last Edit: by .
  • Page:
  • 1
Time to create page: 0.59 seconds

Are you sure?

Yes