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24 Sep 2017 21:51

Ihavestrength

Day 66: While I believe you gotta recognize progress... You also gotta take life's hints that you need to vamp up your game. When things are difficult... It should tell you something maybe...

What is life telling you when things are difficult?

That you need to make a bigger commitment?

That you need to now take it upon yourself to do a million different things?

That you just take on another random thing to do in the realm of chizuk/recovery?

(I hate that word btw, I'm not recovering, I'm growing and becoming inestimably more awesome, not just reverting to a pre-addicted self.)

Nah, I don't think so.

I think life is telling you to take on something small, that using your best judgement, you think will help you. For example these new gye whatsapp broadcasts are great... But they aren't helping me. If I could do everything I'd continue listening to them. But you can't do everything. So I cut them out. I'm replacing them with something else.

Do something easy and small today that will help you. Then do it again tomorrow. 

Peace
20 Sep 2017 01:56

abd297

I just spoke to my rebbi, the same one I opened up to in Beis Medrash. Set some things straight. One thing that I came to realize is that things are very specific to each person. I don't fit into categories that most people look at lust and sexual issues as. I don't relate to classical "addiction" or more mainstream יצר הרע or תאוה. At least not one or the other completely. It's probably a mix of both. There are so many factors, that labeling would be irresponsible. I only need to find what works for me and work towards being better. Going into יום טוב I need to show ה׳ that regardless of the past or present, I am trying to be better. This reconciles any differences in the way you look at your issues. Long term, I will try my best and find what works for me and keeps me feeling the best about myself.

Whether you choose the classic addiction path or תורה path or a both or neither this should be the mindset going forward. Everyone should have a meaningful ‏יום טוב with clarity of mind.  
Category: Introduce Yourself
19 Sep 2017 18:06

chazak!

After many years of struggling I feel like i have to share my personal story. 
It all started when I was about 25,when I saw porn for the first time. I always had a very strong desire to watch porn but never was able to get to it. When I was a teen I used to look at catalogs and encyclopedias but that was as far as it went. From the first time i was exposed everything changed. I can't describe what i went through the next 5 years of my life. Every time I was alone I was on the internet watching P. I had a filter on the computer but back 8 years ago the filters were really not reliable and I was always able to get around it. I always went to sleep the same time as my wife so I was never able to watch porn at night, but what used to happen was that I used to wake up 20 minutes later with a crazy desire. I would go to the computer and spend there the next hour or so. What happened afterwards was that i wasnt able to focus at work and I was so miserable. There were times that i would drive in my car and cry so badly about my situation but the most I was ever able to be clean was for a week or 2. I remember once being up for 2 hours in  middle the night, and the next day I was so upset i was driving home from work after a crazy day and was talking to hashem and crying so badly. when i got to a red light I took out a tehilim and begged hashem for a sign that he will accept my teshuva, and opened it up and it went to kapitel 51 which  is so appropriate for such a situation. I cried even more and was sure that this was my last fall, but 2 weeks later I was back to the same place. I didn't succeed in many things that i should've been able to and i knew the reason was my porn habit, but i felt trapped. there were many times that I felt that the only way I will be able to be clean is if I get rid of the computer or have a better filter with a white list. My problem was I never wanted my wife to know that i have an issue and i was sure if i tell her that i wanted to get rid of the computer that she used for work at home she would assume that i was watching bad things so instead I was just living my double life in misery for several years.
I was suffering for about 5 years when i couldn't take it anymore. I came to realize that it wasn't that i was a plain bal aveira that just needs to learn more mussar. I knew I was heavily addicted. I would wake up in middle of the night and my heart would pound and i would feel forced to run to the computer. There were times that i would be away from home and my wife would tell me she was going away for 2 hours, and my heart would start pounding and i would just need to run home. I knew i needed help but i didn't know where to go. I started searching online and of course every site that had forums about porn addiction was blocked. I didn't use my capabilities to open these sites, so instead i suffered with no where to turn. I never told anybody about this, because i was sure that i am going to be able to get over it by myself and the person i spoke to will for ever look at me as an addict
Once after a major fall i knew i must do something. I called a referral agency and i said i am dealing with a person that needs to go to therapy for porn addiction. They referred me someone very good and i called him and made an appointment. when I told him my situation he asked me have you ever heard from guard your eyes website, and I told him no. He told me this was the most amazing place and should check it out before I come back next time. Of course my filter blocked it as well and I was so embarrassed to call to request them to open it, but I did it anyway. I right away signed up for the 90 day chart which i did in my first try. I can't describe the happiness that i had, and the new life i got. I felt like a new person. Suddenly everything that had to be done just got done. its now 2 and a half years since then and even though i had some falls I know how to get up and be strong. I just finished again 90 days clean and this is the most amazing feeling. It is still extremely hard at times, but i now know how to struggle. I have no words to thank the amazing work of guardyoureyes, and thank hashem for finding out about it.
The only thing that really bothers me is that there is not enough advertising done. I think to myself as soon as i would make enough money i would donate an enormous amount just for advertising. I think about it everyday what can be done to make every person know about this. I also would hope that all the kosher filters should not block guardyoureyes. Who knows where i would be today if I wouldn't be able to come over my embarrassment to call to unblock this site. 
Category: Introduce Yourself
19 Sep 2017 17:30

gibbor120

"One of the positive benefits of watching all these videos is I have learned how to pleasure her in ways she would not have thought about, which has led her to want to have sex more often."

Perhaps in your situation, this is not a benefit.  Women generally don't like to engage in sex when it is void of emotion.  Your description of finding it a chore leads me to beleive that there is no or little emotional bonding going on.  If this is the case, you may both need help.  I have no idea what form that should take, but you do not have a healthy sex life which is important to a healthy marriage.

How is your marriage?  Are you happy?  Is your wife happy?  Do you feel connected emotionally?

Reading what you wrote, it just seems to me that a lot more is going on than some masturbation.  Just my hunch.
Category: Introduce Yourself
19 Sep 2017 11:21

Hashem Help Me

Hi. Some food for thought.   Here on GYE we learn that sex is about giving, not taking. Be proud of the fact that you have learned how to pleasure your wife and delay your own enjoyment. Most of us were wired to "prefer to go inside and be done", and BH have slowly changed it to not even needing that part to happen. And yes, we are still normal people. Hang around. You will only benefit iyh.
Category: Introduce Yourself
19 Sep 2017 04:42

Hakolhevel

Moshiach5777 wrote on 17 Sep 2017 21:39:
I’ve Sinned. Now What?

I have been “bad.” I have given into a habit I am trying to quit; a habit I’ve struggled to quit since I was a teenager. I base my self-worth largely on whether I give in to the urge or am strong enough to hold myself back.

Now, yesterday was Shabbat, and this habit happens to violate a halachah (Jewish law) of Shabbat. Yet I felt I could not stop myself. There I was: a so-called observant woman, with the hot tray, urn and lights left on, noI could not stop myself problem, but helpless in the face of my compulsive urge.

Aware I was breaking Shabbat—even as I continued to exercise this fanatical and futile habit—I was bombarded by thoughts like “It’s too late,” “It’s done,” “Why stop now?” The perfectionist in me is a big believer in all or nothing and felt despondent by the already tainted-ness of Shabbat. Hand in hand, my yetzer harah (evil inclination) was throwing out comments like “You’re so weak,” “Hypocrite!” “You’ll probably never overcome this habit,” “Something big will have to knock you into shape—one day,” “What’s the point of starting again now, as this Shabbat and week ahead have been ruined.”

The Lubavitcher Rebbe taught that the most powerful mocker is the one within yourself.

But for a split-second, the lights go on inside, and I see clearly the flawed nature of these thoughts and how I am captive to them as if they are truth. For I know, on a deeper level, we are all imperfect human beings making mistakes, and hopefully, getting back up and trying again—and again.

Suddenly, it’s obvious that the voice spurring me on to not try at all is actually what is evil, and not the act itself. There is always hope and possibility. Sure, some challenges are harder than others, for reasons that run deep. But we can change direction at any moment.

The Lubavitcher Rebbe shared: “Know thatWe can change direction at any moment what you did a moment ago is irrelevant. All that matters is what you will do right now. Any voice that holds you back from moving forward—no matter how justified it may sound—any such voice is a voice of destruction and decay, not of growth and life.”1

With this in mind, my aim is to really listen to these voices that I allow to rule and ruin me. When it is the loud voice of doom or gloom, or shame and blame, I clearly need to oust that voice from its position and replace it with the voice of truth, love, understanding, empathy and support. The voice that whispers to us that we are OK, that our neshamah (soul) is whole despite our imperfections, that we are always connected to G‑d, that we are always capable of choosing the high road and that we should do so right now.

Despite what took place even a second ago, now is when and where I have the power to script my life—and I can do it.

FOOTNOTES1.Tzvi Freeman, Bringing Heaven Down to Earth: Meditations on the Wisdom of the Rebbe, Book One (CreateSpace, 2011), p. 89.

Im a little confused, isn't this under the "internet addiction for men" yet you write that you are a so called observant women. 

Unless the so called refers to you being a women?
Category: BEIS HAMEDRASH
19 Sep 2017 00:25

TzedekChaim

Hello Chevra!!!

it's been a while, thought I would post something. DAY 378!! With, and only because of, His help. Thank you Hashem for bringing me to this day and keeping me sober today and each today thus far. What happens tommorow is not for now. Thank you for toDAY!

Somethings I've learned in the passed few months:

1. a person is not responsible for their initial emotional response to something. That's beyond our control. It is then up to us to decide how to act on that something. 

2. If I'm feeling overwhelmed and like everything is going downhill. (Check HALT and see if I am missing in any of those four things) Am I tired, hungry, etc... 

3. focus on doing. focus on doing for others and appreciating what they do for me. Not spending so much time wrapped up in my own (selfish) thoughts of woe is me!

4. appreciate the good in myself. Love myself. How can I love God or love another person if I don't love myself.  

5. surrender the negative 'low self-esteem' or whatever thoughts the same way i surrender innapropriate thoughts. My self esteem is something I have been working on and only succeeding beacuse of Hashem. When I let HIM be in control my life is so much better!!!

6. He is running the world and I don't need to figure it out. Just had a political debate with someone. I realized after the fact that it was really bothering me. Then I was like, "what kind of silly thing is this. Do either of us really know anything about how the world is working and the politcal machinations at work. Can any one person possibly understand the metzius of anything really?" It's just a distraction from the real focus which is putting my life in His hands (or really understanding that my life is in His hands no matter what) and that he loves me more than I could possibly love anything and is always there to help me even if I don't deserve/ understand at all why.

7. My wife b'H is pregnant and I noticed on the married men's forum that there is a lot of discussion about this, since pregnant women have a lot of nausea and are not up for close proximity things very much. This is fertile breeding ground for the addicts resentment and anger at why can't she just let me... But Thank God, because of all my growth here at GYE, I have made great strides and give her the space she needs, and try to do everything I can to help. (if anyone has good suggestions for thoughtful helpful things to do that would be most appreciated. Surely I can't have thought of everything ) I don't want to think about what it would be like right now if I hadn't found GYE...

8.Thank you chevra for being there for me in the rough times as well as the happy times!! The trucking goes on one DAY at a time, I will try to live up to the life that HE want's me to, and not my own little selfish orb or negative/depression/anger/resentment/loneliness/poop  

Hatzlacha Rabba GYE'rs and to the heileger oilam here, thank you again and again.



ps. was listening to a DOV call, and he said a wonderful thing. Someone asked about not being sure if he was an addict. Dov's response was, "does working the program make your life significantly better?" the guy answered yes, Dov then said, "so do it. it's a teiku, when moshiach comes you'll find out if you actually are or aren't, but if doing the steps makes you better then do it" (there was a more subtle context, but the idea is great nevertheless)

18 Sep 2017 18:52

mystory

Before I was married I never had sex.    
    Since I have been married, I have found it to be at times a chore.  I don't love the foreplay, I do it for my wife's sake. But  I would prefer to go inside her and be done.    One of the positive benefits of watching all these videos is I have learned how to pleasure her in ways she would not have thought about, which has led her to want to have sex more often.
Category: Introduce Yourself
18 Sep 2017 14:00

gibbor120

Welcome!  There's a lot going on in your post (and in your life).  Did you always find sex to be a chore?  Do you think it became that way because of your wife's high sex drive (which is unusual, especially at that age)? 
Category: Introduce Yourself
17 Sep 2017 22:00

dms1234

I told a couple of rebeim in Yeshiva and they were very receptive. One told me to go to SA! I know my shul rav works with alcoholics so i am sure that he is familiar with sex addicts. 

I think more Rabbis than we think are familiar with these issues. Some arent. I told another rebbe and he said marriage would fix my problem which i know it wont. Maybe he didnt grasp how deep my problem is. 

You never know, maybe they have good eitzahs or they could recommend someone to you who would help you. 
Category: Break Free
17 Sep 2017 19:08

Michael94

I just wanted to say thank you hashem for today and for the past! And for the unknown future!
and for the chevre! 
The chachomim say that there's 3 shutfim beodom, thinking of this nisayon and the strength to overcome it u guys are definitely a part of it.
Category: Introduce Yourself
17 Sep 2017 06:36

dms1234

Its hard to tell me just go read a book or meditate when masturbation/lust was my coping mechanism for so long. I needed a whole change of outlook, not just a mere distraction for the time being. Thats why i went into SA. But, I'm an addict. Maybe non addicts have it different. Thank God, that I accepted the fact that i need more help too. Life is so much better now! Sure, i am not perfect but i dont need to distract my self. For me, thats being plain dishonest. I look lust right in the face and say "Sorry bud, but i cant take you anymore, i am powerless over you, you are a better man than I," Then I ask God for help. Surrrender. God's gift to man. SA's gift to me. 
Category: Break Free
17 Sep 2017 03:12

Markz

YidFromMonsey wrote on 20 Oct 2016 06:05:
Not even sure why I'm writing this, but I guess that hopefully sometime somewhere someone will get chizuk from this.

I grew up chasidish and went through the entire system and got married like all other's in the system, but at some point I started  feeling uncomfortable amongst my old yeshiva friends who were all still learning in kolel, I got close to new friends who had a bad influence on me (actually, I started playing with myself and m... at 14 but I never took it to the next level till then) and I slowly started  drifting away, starting with r-rated movies, leading to porn, lusting, and eventually meeting people and doing stuff no one ever should.....

When all of this was about to explode and I would've lost my wife, children, friends and family - hashem had mercy on me and sent someone to hook me up with the right people who put my life and marriage back together. (I never joined 12 steps because I wasn't in the shmutz out of addiction but rather out of looking for fulfillment of my dark desires, the person worked with me on rebuilding my relationship and on me physically getting back into yiddishkiet by doing things that have an impact on the ruchnius of a person like tzitzis and brochos with covono and that in a chain reaction helped me overcome my nisyones.)

All of this took place almost 4 years ago and currently life and marriage is beautiful B"H. The reason I now came to GYE is 1) although I was totally clean for over a year almost 3 years ago, unfortunately I did start slipping again here and there, not with meeting up but with porn and acting out by myself, and 2) I'm still struggling with shmiras einayim like crazy, in Manhattan where I work, the struggle of looking at half naked women  is only half of what it is my struggle in Monsey on shabbos or yom tov, I'm blessed with an imagination that works on overdrive and I find chasidish women and girls very attractive so for instance, taking my kids to the park shabbos afternoon turns out to be very hard on me and in a crazy way even harder than the nisyones in Manhattan.

The thing that really helps me the most on GYE is the fact that I don't feel alone in my struggles anymore and I don't feel like an outcast for having these struggles, instead I'm now part of a huge holy group of yiddin that want to be holy and are working on it together. To me, this discovery made a huge impact and gave me loads of chizuk.

May hashem help us all to overcome our YH and to be holy yiddin like Hashem wants us to be.


And then...

YidFromMonsey wrote on 16 May 2017 19:26:

Hello dear brothers,

הודו לשם כי טוב כי לעולם חסדו

I’d like to share gratitude to Hashem and to all of you. Not so long ago, I felt totally beaten, hopeless, and depressed. After four years of;

- so called רוחניות therapy to learn how to fight my yetzer haro

- paying thousands of dollars for mashpiyim

- countless discussions with my wife trying to convince both of us that my acting out is part of history

- thousands of טבילות in mikvah

- buckets of tears during davening

- not having contact whatsoever with any women

- not watching a single movie

after four years of that I found myself out there again, back to square one, or should I say square zero because this time I crossed lines I never have before.

God could and would if He was sought, and today I’m a living example of just that, I joined SA because that was my very last straw of hope but I didn’t really think it’ll work for me, the longer I was going to meetings and still acting out the more convinced I became that I’m beyond repair, I’m a defected product, there’s no hope for me and sooner or later I’ll jump off some bridge and get out of this miserable mess of a life. Everyone in SA was talking about prayer and how they felt connected and that God listens but I didn’t even have the willingness to pray so why would god care…

And then the miracle happened.

After one meeting a member said to me “forget about praying – just ask”, these words for some reason made sense and I started doing just that, asking god to “please give me the willingness to get sober” – that’s all I did besides going to meetings, twice a day I’d ask for willingness.

Without getting into all the details, God gave me the willingness, I got a sponsor, started working the steps, daily readings, daily phone calls, daily praying – yes praying  , and believe it or not (I don’t), I made it to 90 days without acting out!!! Yes I’m still an addict, and yes I still feel like giving up some days, but I got so many blessings in my life, I now know my place, my life finally makes some sense, I feel hope, I don’t beat myself up anymore,  I can be honest with my wife about my hardships, my marriage is in a better place than ever before (even without sex 8 times a week), my kids feel that taty is there for them, and so much more, I’ll never finish writing if I list them all.

All I can say is THANK YOU!!! Thank you Hashem, and thank you all dear brothers for being there for me when I wasn’t even there for myself. Nothing more to say.

Category: Break Free
17 Sep 2017 03:08

Markz

Gevura Shebyesod wrote on 03 May 2016 18:33:
Honestly, I could read this over and over again. (I'm entering it in post of the year...)
Shlomo24 wrote on 03 May 2016 17:02:

stillgoing wrote on 03 May 2016 16:15:

Workingguy wrote on 03 May 2016 13:40:

Shlomo24 wrote on 03 May 2016 04:12:
Yeah, bh, for a variety of reasons SSA is not my problem. 


It's not? Now I'm confused. I thought it was. I'm not prying, but did I miss something?

I'm not answering for King Shlomo (i like yesods name for you. can i use it?) because i'm not him, but in a general way ssa can cause challenges in life, but if one is also attracted (a least somewhat) to girls, he can marry and lead a farly typical life. Addiction on the other hand, can totally take over our entire lives.

I don't remember that nickname actually. But I must say, it's quite fitting. 

As sg isn't answering for me, I am not answering for him, but I have an opinion on what was said: Even if I had zero sexual attraction for women, I could live a productive and happy life and be married. I know people who think that they aren't attracted to women, (hint: they are), but they have happy marriages. In terms of attraction, if a guy can tell the fundamental difference between a cute dog and a cute girl, then he is sufficiently attracted to women. This is what my therapists told me and it was one of the most vital things anyone has ever told me. But even so, let's say that I had zero attraction to women, I could still live productively.

Here are the "variety" of reasons why SSA isn't my problem:

1) SSA isn't my problem because I'm an addict. I have a disease that includes lust for men. God gave me it. Do pancreatic cancer patients and lung cancer patients have the same disease? Yes. So too do me and every other sex addict have the same disease. It's just expressed in different areas. There may be psychological reasons why I am sexually attracted to men, but there are reasons for everything. So addiction is the source, not SSA. (I am refraining from calling my addiction a problem, it is not a problem, rather the way I deal with it can be problematic). Some people have SSA as their source, but not me. As I'm in middle of writing a history paper, here is a quote from another member who shared this sentiment:

"cordnoy" post=240681 date=1412218115
Ultimately, the way I see it as a general rule (and I'm no expert) is that this type of addiction or lust desire is the same as others. There was somethin' that triggered our brains and rest of our body at some point in time, and many of us get stuch with that for the duration of our life. It is not the object or person of our desire that makes the difference; it is not the particular fetish that we may have. The common denominator is that it is defined as lust, and we need to learn how to live with it in a healthy fashion. 
Honestly, I could read that over and over again. (I'm entering it in post of the year after this, even though it wasn't this year).

2) SSA isn't my problem because it doesn't run my life. I don't have to deal with it. I don't identify myself as SSA, I am Shlomo. I am not a living, breathing, SSA. I know people like this and I don't find that they have serene lives. The best thing for my SSA was to disregard it as an identity. I am not different than you, we both belong together as humans. While some may find comfort and love in the SSA community, my personal experience was that the more I made SSA my life, the less of a life I had. I was constantly thinking about guys when I was in the community, that was the majority of conversations. And it wasn't healthy for me.

3) SSA isn't my problem because God has decided that I should gain attraction for women. My attraction is steadily growing and believe me I am not trying to facilitate that. I may even be actively NOT letting it facilitate. I'm quite comfortable with my attractions, we are old buddies. I am used to this and I like it, it's a homey place for me. I do find that the more I distance from SSA the stronger my sexual attractions to women are. I was in a point where I didn't lust after women at all, I just had the attraction, but now I need to be a little bit more careful. I am still grossed out by the prospect of watching heterosexual porn, I don't think women should be portrayed that way and I don't believe that any woman REALLY want to be a pornstar, as much as the liberal media will say otherwise. I am not, however, grossed out about sex with a woman, which I used to be. (And that is also for a slew of reasons). A woman in a gorgeous dress may be triggering, although for the most part they are not. I do objectify woman a lot though, probably the same I do with everybody. I don't think that someone even needs to be attracted at all sexually to be able to "perform."




Bump
Category: Break Free
15 Sep 2017 04:02

Shivisi_Hashem

MayanHamisgaber wrote on 10 Sep 2017 19:14:

ben durdayah wrote on 09 Jan 2011 19:16:
I also used to let that eat me up.

But who says that that's a goal that we should set for ourselves?

Also, that's part of B'makom Sheba'aei Teshuva Omdim, Ain Tzadikim Gemurim Yecholim La'amod.

We have that feeling that we're farfahlen to deal with (among other things) and that's a good way to tap in to "Leiv Nishbar VeNidkeh, Elokim Lo Sivzeh".

And one more thing, what's the Nafka Minah if you wind up like your friends who (as far as you know) never had this addiction -

L'maaseh this whole business of yes like friends/not like friends -IMHO- is lots of hooey, hogwash, bologna (pronounced baloney), shtissim, shtuyot, and for our friend Yoeli with the lithp -B.S. (I heard an Israeli chassidishe guy say that today und Ich zug dir tzi az er veist nisht vus s'maint bichlall; my mother washed out my mouth with soap when I innocently repeated the second half of that word).

Tachlis -Are you happy the way you are? When someone chalilah has yenner machlah, he's busy worrying about his not looking like his friends, or whether the treatments will work and he'll survive?

My dear friend -I have a problem, you have a problem, we have a problem. Any Jew who is frum and looks at P***, hangs out with shiktzas (actually they might be shekatzim, after all if you present yourself as some anonymous John, so can the person you're chatting with) online, can't give up M***N HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!

Because by definition, most people who live a frum lifestyle -and I'm not even talking about a shtickle ben-Torah, just your average Yossel -have Yiras Shamayim.

And if a guy with Yiras Shamayim in all other areas of life, a guy who has (in general) a wife, kids, other family members, a job or a Kollel, a good (or at least decent) reputation, and whatever else your average Yossel has knowingly and with open eyes places all of what's good in his life on the line in order to watch P***, hang out online with shiktzas, and M**** until he starts losing the ta'am in anything he ever enjoyed HE IS AN ADDICT!!!.

His friend might not be.

So it's a choice, worry about me, or worry about if I'm going to ever be like my 'normal' friends...

Worry about today, because without today -there is no tomorrow.

And I'm not a Rebbe, Navi, or fool who gives out havtachos. I haven't even been around here that long. But I am 100% sure, so I will guarantee you that if you get with the program here, and get clean -you will be so happy, and so satisfied that you won't be able to care less if you are like your 'normal' friends or not. You'll be happy just the way Hashem made you.

Besides, maybe your 'normal' friends:
a. are here now.
b.were here in the past.
c.could really, really, really desperately use to be here, and weren't yet zocheh.
d.were never here, don't need to be here, and never will.

What's the big difference?

I'm here with you, and for you -if you want,

Eli Ben Durdayah


Well said, thank you 
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