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03 Nov 2021 01:34
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Tzafon
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I have nothing against meetings, I just don't think that my addiction is strong enough to necessitate going so far. For now I will try working on things on my own, (along with conversing with everyone here on the gye forum) and if I see that I am not progressing that I will reconsider.
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02 Nov 2021 18:26
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wilnevergiveup
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anonymous.lost.everything wrote on 02 Nov 2021 12:26:
I think the reason why the only way the 12-step program can work is by constantly talking about God is because that ephemeral pleasure that accompanies lust, anger, self-pity, resentment, arrogance, judgement, etc. is the idea that I am God myself. The addiction is the ability to think that in the back of my head and to suspend disbelief. So the only thing stronger than an idol is God himself.
Rabbi Twerski often writes a story about an atheist addict who could not bring himself to join AA. After a couple of years in AA he related that he still doesn't believe in G-d but at least he knows now that he isn't G-D.
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02 Nov 2021 16:45
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DavidT
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anonymous.lost.everything wrote on 02 Nov 2021 12:26:
I think the reason why the only way the 12-step program can work is by constantly talking about God is because that ephemeral pleasure that accompanies lust, anger, self-pity, resentment, arrogance, judgement, etc. is the idea that I am God myself. The addiction is the ability to think that in the back of my head and to suspend disbelief. So the only thing stronger than an idol is God himself.
This is the core of the 12-Step program, bringing Hashem into our lives. And when we do that, He helps even the lowest of the low, and He does for us what we can’t do ourselves. As it says: אני ה' השוכן אתם בתוך טומאתם…
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02 Nov 2021 16:26
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DavidT
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Hi
First of all, MAZEL TOV on your second child!
You wrote: "please forgive me for writing such a long post" ...
This is YOUR thread and you can write as long as you want (and by the way, it's not that long - compared to many others).
The purpose of this forum is to help bring to people like us: support, encouragement & connection (which is the opposite of addiction).
My suggestion is that you connect to someone in real life to help you navigate and grow in your struggle. Someone like "Hashem Help Me" would be a great person for your situation.
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02 Nov 2021 12:26
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anonymous.lost.everything
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I think the reason why the only way the 12-step program can work is by constantly talking about God is because that ephemeral pleasure that accompanies lust, anger, self-pity, resentment, arrogance, judgement, etc. is the idea that I am God myself. The addiction is the ability to think that in the back of my head and to suspend disbelief. So the only thing stronger than an idol is God himself.
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31 Oct 2021 10:53
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ARF
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Wow, you just made my day! I'm going through depression, addiction and more. I never thought i could get happy even if i would stop porn...
Stay strong and sober
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28 Oct 2021 23:30
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barber
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anonymous.lost.everything wrote on 28 Oct 2021 16:16:
I'm furious at my ex. It's my addiction that wants to get me to act out. I called like 5 sexaholics but nobody picks up the phone. I could use a listening ear.
anger is painful yes i also suffer on anger on my molester very hard
i woke up yesterday and the first think that popped out of my mouth was i want to chop off the head of ..........
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28 Oct 2021 16:41
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anonymous.lost.everything
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wilnevergiveup wrote on 28 Oct 2021 16:36:
anonymous.lost.everything wrote on 28 Oct 2021 16:16:
I'm furious at my ex. It's my addiction that wants to get me to act out. I called like 5 sexaholics but nobody picks up the phone. I could use a listening ear.
You can try venting it all out here, just don't break your keyboard...
I'm starting to feel better, thanks to the fact that I'm working.
Even realizing that it's my addict agenda at play and taking the action of asking for help or dialing a phone number helps one focus on the real problem, which is that I want to fight so I have an excuse to act out. The real problem is not the relationship.
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28 Oct 2021 16:16
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anonymous.lost.everything
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I'm furious at my ex. It's my addiction that wants to get me to act out. I called like 5 sexaholics but nobody picks up the phone. I could use a listening ear.
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28 Oct 2021 00:03
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anonymous.lost.everything
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DovidS wrote on 27 Oct 2021 21:30:
Trying to manage this again. Sadly, pornography is pretty low down on the list of my addictive behaviors; but while I am managing worse forms of acting out, this continues to elude me. Trying something new with this, and hoping being with a chevra on a similar journey will help.
I sent you a pm with my phone number.
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27 Oct 2021 23:15
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barber
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wilnevergiveup wrote on 27 Oct 2021 21:24:
DavidT wrote on 27 Oct 2021 17:37:
wilnevergiveup wrote on 13 Jun 2021 08:23:
This thread has got me thinking, and I have a serious question. If you read through most of the threads here on GYE, especially the older ones there was "Dov" and co, who promoted the "12 Step" method and then there were the ones who cried, "The Torah and mussar has everything covered." They would say, we don't want to hear anything that doesn't have a source in the sefarim, I don't care if it works or doesn't, if it was right, it would be somewhere in the seforim etc.
I find it fascinating that here, the 12 steppers are the ones "protecting G-d" wow, that's a strange to me.
So my question is this, I understand that GYE is spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on this new Flight 2 Freedom program and that it's based of of the SMART recovery program. Is it being built at least with the little amount of G-d that is in the 12 steps or is it forgetting about Him entirely. What I mean by this is, while the severe "struggler" may not relate to the spiritual issues and focusing on it doesn't help them, bringing G-d into their lives does.
The new program, it seems, is being built for those who are not "powerless" (otherwise it really makes no sense). I understand that the target crowd is indeed not addicts, and that they may very well be the majority of those struggling. The ones who are not so deep into this, the ones who are falling here and there, the ones who are still unmarried the ones who it hasn't affected their life that much, what the the real reason that they want to stop? Is in not G-d? Is there a different reason?
The new program sounds amazing, I am all for it, I am just wondering if G-d is going to make an appearance.
Now that the "Flight to freedom" is already being used for a few months, we can revisit the comment above.
First of all, SMART recovery is for addicts just as the 12 step is. They just have a different approach.
"Flight to freedom" has many concepts from the SMART recovery program with many added ideas and tools. They do have God in the program like prayers and meditation.
You used the flight2freedom program? Does it work?
Do you have an agenda? Why bring up an old and dead thread?
have some mercy on him, dont you see that he is having a personal issue with sa but needs help, or is new to smart and feels like he needs to get the message out, its the same as being constipated, i also feel from time to time like constipated about sa.
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27 Oct 2021 21:30
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DovidS
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Trying to manage this again. Sadly, pornography is pretty low down on the list of my addictive behaviors; but while I am managing worse forms of acting out, this continues to elude me. Trying something new with this, and hoping being with a chevra on a similar journey will help.
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