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31 Jul 2022 22:37

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Vehkam wrote on 31 Jul 2022 20:42:

Tomorrow will mark nine months to the day since I started my journey home.  The truth is that I didn’t know at the time what path I was headed towards.  I just knew that I needed clarity and that I could not attain that clarity while acting out sexually.  I knew that I needed a clear mind in order to make the choices on how to spend the rest of my life.

In order to understand where I was coming from it is necessary to back up a little bit.  I am 53 years old.  I first discovered masturbation when I was 16.  During those early years the craving and intensity of those feelings were extremely powerful.  I knew that it was wrong but did not really understand why.  It was wrong just as much as lots of other things were wrong.  I had always been a good kid and done the right thing, but this was definitely something I could not resist.  I remember seeing my face in the mirror back then while I was experiencing this pleasure.  I was used to seeing an innocent boy looking back at me.  Not anymore.  Now I saw a face with eyes that reflected a darkness about them.  I was no longer innocent.  There was a deep-rooted evil within me.  The problem was that I liked and craved that evil.  It was liberating.  It brought me pleasure that was other worldly.  The fantasies that I would create in my head were captivating and intense.  Many of them were dark in nature and centered around extreme and unhealthy thoughts.

I never told anyone about this.  I had no idea if anyone else had these same thoughts.  I assumed that no one in my circles would understand what I was dealing with.  As a sincere bochur I really wanted to shteig in learning.  I felt very torn.  I was inwardly very depressed.  Sometimes I had to go out once or twice during seder to relieve myself of the pounding intensity that was going on in my body.  I needed to do that just to be able to focus on the gemara.  So I came back to my shtender feeling like a lowlife, no longer dealing with intense cravings, but carrying a brickload of guilt for where I was holding.

My cravings drove me to do some crazy things.  Sneaking xrated magazines into the bathroom at times.  (and then having to figure out how in the world to dispose of them.) When I turned 18 I had access to a car.  With that came access to all sorts of “adult” places.  The magazines were now replaced with movies.  I don’t remember the complete timeline but I do know that when I was 21 I learned about all the different things available in nyc at that time. There was a lot available.

I carried my heavily guarded secret with me into marriage.  I don’t like to look back and say “what if”, but it is clear to me now that my thinking and decision making was very negatively impacted by my secret.  I could never be honest and open up completely. I did not seek out proper guidance. accordingly I entered into a marriage that was doomed to failure from day one.  I was not discovered.  I didn’t fall apart.  But I married someone who was not healthy and there was no relationship.  (had she been healthy it may have ended even worse for me...)

I was now stuck with my secret, my guilt, my loneliness and divorce on top of it all.  Even though I had a good reputation and was still considered a good learner, there were not many good opportunities for someone in my position.  The shidduch crisis had not yet hit and a young divorced guy was not high on any solid girls list.

On the other hand, my secret life did not care if I was divorced or not.  I started working and had access to some money.  My phone bills grew every month from paid phone services.  I knew where and when to go and act out on my fantasies and I became very comfortable spending time in very disreputable places.  This was all BEFORE high speed internet.

I did not fix myself at all during this period.  I am sure that there were times that I davened for the strength to stop what I was doing, but I did not have any tools or anyone that I was comfortable talking to.  On the outside I was fervently frum ehrlich and idealistic.  On the inside I had a problem.

A couple of years went by and I was introduced to a frum girl who took interest in me. She saw the frum ehrlich and idealistic side of me and that is what she wanted.  She seemed nice enough and I married her despite the fact that there were many red flags.  Even before we were married I knew that I would have to carry more than just my side in the marriage.  However I was so lonely and she was so interested in me that I decided that I would make it work no matter what.

So for over twenty years and four kids I made it work.  As my wife became less and less functional, I took over more and more responsibility.  My children grew up without a mother and I was a husband without a wife, but we were a family.  I devoted myself to ensuring that my children grew up as happy and healthy as possible even though they never had a mother to nurture them.  We took the best trips and vacations and everyone was jealous of us. (I tried to take care of my wife as well but that never worked out. Obviously my secrets were a big factor but ultimately the problems were just too big…) I also learned how to work around my responsibilities and find time to feed my fantasies.  I was doing well enough to be able to afford what it cost and I also developed friends from my secret world.  To them I could talk about anything.  I had no secrets from them.  The only thing they never knew was my real name.

Over the last few years things started to spiral.  My children were all growing up and I no longer needed to devote as much attention to them.  My wife was also becoming harder and harder to be around.  I would take “business trips” for days at a time to get away and also to connect to my other world.  It became harder and harder to know which was the real world and which was the fantasy.  By this time I also had deep emotional attachment to some friends from the forbidden world.

This is the background and the general picture of my steady decline from yeshiva bochur to sexual addict.   The following is the timeline of how hashem pulled me out….. I wrote this  early this year…

1)Over the years I tried here and there to stop but never with outside help. I came to a point where I did not really think it was possible to stop at all and just decided to embrace that life and make peace with it.

2) my marriage at home was fairly miserable. I was married to someone who became less and less functional over the years. I had to be the mother and father to my children. My own acting out was a stress relief and keeping me sane on the one hand but it was drawing me further and further down a rabbit hole. (to be clear the marriage did not cause the problem the problem preceded the marriage )

 3)Over the years countless people (from the other world) had asked me how I reconcile my religious lifestyle with the forbidden stuff that I was into and I answered them honestly that I could not reconcile it, I just preferred not to have to think about it.

 4) A couple of years ago I realized that I was becoming more and more miserable at home (the dysfunction was significantly worse) and I knew that I needed to get out of this marriage. At the time I even contemplated leaving the religious life and following my friends into a fully promiscuous lifestyle. In hindsight this was never really an option. If nothing else I could never have done that to my kids.

5) at the same time I went to the siyum hashas and the religious side of me was inspired to begin Daf Yomi in earnest. That actually gave me the first stability that I needed to turn my life around.  It had been decades since i had any serious learning commitment.

6) when Covid hit I ended up becoming even more involved in the Daf and spend even more time on it.  I was lucky enough to be in a chabura that met on zoom with a captivating magid shiur.  we were often on zoom for over two hours.

7) I was still fully involved in the forbidden life and so the hypocrisy became even more glaring to me.

8) I spent a few days Vacationing With some friends -  it was an extremely promiscuous environment. Even so, these were people that I was able to open up about everything and they were fully aware of all my struggles. They also really cared (and still do care – edit – I no longer have contact with any of them) about me. I spent a half a day walking around deep in conversation with one of my friends about my future and goals. After speaking to her I felt like my mind was clearly made up that I cannot move forward in life unless I get divorced.

9) Although I did not share my secret life with my Rav, he felt that he had enough information to encourage me to move on with my life as well and he validated my decision as did my family and friends. (my children were very relieved that I took this step)

10)I was finally able to end my marriage A little over a year ago (in December 2021). While it was a difficult thing to do the after affects were an incredible peacefulness that I have not had in 25 years.

11)I knew that I wanted to go for therapy but was not ready I needed to decompress after the marriage and I just continued doing -what I was doing until then - on both of the religious side and the forbidden side.

12)As soon as I got divorced people started to approach me with dating opportunities. On the outside I told everyone that I was not ready but on the inside I knew that there was a side of me that was secret and that there was no way I would ever marry someone again that didn’t know all of me.

13)I also realized that being over 50 if I don’t do something about this now I am going to run out of time.

14)right after sukkos this past year I went on vacation again. This time my friends were not able to be there. Most of the time I spent hanging out I realized that I just did not belong here. I believe that this feeling was a gift from Hashem and it was as a result of me keeping up with the Daf even while living in proverbial Soddom and Gomorrah.

15) when I came home I decided that I had decompressed enough and that I am going to try really hard to finally change. I fully expected to fall flat on my face.

16) I did not delete any of my accounts or contacts. I just stopped going onto any sites. I was very busy at work and at home preparing for a child’s wedding so it was a good time to stop. I was afraid to announce my war to the yetzer hara so I tried to just do it under the radar without putting on any filters etc. (to clarify, if felt from experience that i could inspire myself to delete everything but that could cause me to have very strong desires to get them back, see 22 below)

17) it was at that point that I joined GYE. I started getting the daily boosts and was religious about listening to them first thing in the morning when I woke up.

18) I posted my first posts and if you read them you will see that I did not think it was possible for me to become clean.

19)I started looking for a therapist and started posting to try to be connected. I spoke to Yaakov from GYE and I spoke to someone from relief. For the first time in my life I was verbalizing and acknowledging to other people The extent of my problem.

20) I joined the 90 day challenge. Initially, I  just planned on working on porn and websites (and worse)and figured that I would work on mzl later on. But then there was a post that being mzl was a fall (even though it probably wasn’t because I wasn’t working on that) So I decided to be careful with Mzl as well And I started the 90 days from The last time I knew I had been mzl. At this point I became fully emotionally invested in this fight.

21) I cannot explain it but since I started this process I have not had a fall. Occasionally there will be some tingling of an urge, like when they were girls in bathing suits in the hotel where I was staying but I have been accustomed to pushing away the thought Before it takes hold. I have become better at that as time goes on.

22) ive mentioned a few times on the forums that the best defense is a good offense. As time has passed and I have slowly but surely been deleting apps. Trying to slowly but surely keep moving forward. At this point I would not be worried about handing my phone over to someone because I don’t think (edit – I know there isn’t anything) there’s anything on it that I would be embarrassed about. I did this slowly over time because I did not want to awaken the feeling of mayim genuvim yumtaku. The stuff was available if I wanted it …This worked for me probably would not work for many. While I put some restrictions on my iPhone I do not have a filter through tag. My work is not about filters it’s about changing myself. If I come to a point where I need the filter, the filter will not help! I may put a more serious one on at some point but not right now.

23) at the same time I looked for different ways to increase my awareness and sensitivity for Kedusha. I bought the book the battle of the generation and read a chapter religiously every night.(edit – about the finish in a few days for the third time!) I also bought a Siddur that focuses on teaching you that davening is a relationship with hashem.

24) along the way over this past year I also spent time developing some relationships with religious people and rabbonim that are happy and encouraging and a positive influence. (edit – I told my full story to a rav and he is the one that I ask halacha questions that can be affected by my story.  E.g. listening to music when normally asur)

25) I spend a lot more time now with headphones on especially when walking from the train to work. This can be Daf Yomi related or just music but it takes me out of the streets and puts me in my own world.

It is hard to describe how far I have come in such a short time. I have hinted at the depths of depravity that I have travelled but for most people it’s beyond what they could imagine. I have always been a good person at heart and I can’t fully explain how I fell so far. I really hope that this lasts and is not just a four month swing in the right direction. Maybe this is how the yidden felt when the mitzriyim were chasing them after yetzias mitzrayim - on the one hand they were finally out, on the other hand they were scared the mitzriyim were chasing them and they would have to go back….

edit – it is now nine months and I am no longer looking over my shoulder. Of course I always have to be vigilant, that will never change.   I am comfortable with who I am.  I understand (through therapy) much more of my personal vulnerabilities and how to deal with them in a positive way.  I am hopeful that I will soon be able to finally have a real relationship with a wife that understands me.  My only secret now is GYE. (my friends and family have no idea.) I have opened my heart and soul and cried rivers of tears during the course of some deeply emotional writing on these forums. I can’t wait to share it all with someone really special who will do the same with me.

Category: What Works for Me
31 Jul 2022 21:15

wellmadecolors

Hello all. I am grateful to have found a community like this. I have been clean from my primary sex addiction behaviors for a long period now. For my primary one, which I know many others here struggle with, it has probably been close to a year. That was after causing myself significant trauma and further challenges that I will not mention at the moment. For the others, some fraction of that but still a significant amount of time. Recently, I was hospitalized for a mental health crisis. It was quite distressing, I am still in active treatment. Outpatient five days a week. While I was in inpatient I began attending AA meetings. I didn't think that I was an alcoholic but I knew I had addiction challenges and knew that 12 Step Communities were very spiritual. The unit I was on was dual-focused. It catered to both mental health and addiction recover. I met someone there who had been addicted to multiple substances and faced incredible challenges in their life. How incredible it was to hear them validate that my addiction was real and a real challenge.

After being discharged I began going to SAA meetings which have been wonderful. Seeing, however, that there is a community like this that is focused on my own spiritual path of being a Jew and is dedicated to these challenges we face is something rather refreshing. You may be asking "if you have been sober for so long, what made you start going to meetings? What made you take this next step in your recovery if all the previous 'were enough'?" the fact of the matter is, addiction is a lifelong disease. It shows up in every aspect of our lives. To live with something like that without the support of a community that understands? That's a greater challenge-- and I'm not going to keep throwing extra weight on my back without reason. So I'm grateful to have access to recover communities, and grateful still that specified communities like this one exist. You should all find abundant strength, the power of an army of spiritual soldiers at your back (we are in this together), and the wisdom to know how to wield them for the sake of Hashem! Also, shout out to the work of Rabbi Dr. Avraham Twerski and Rabbi Shais Taub. Big thanks everyone.
Category: Introduce Yourself
31 Jul 2022 20:42

Vehkam

Tomorrow will mark nine months to the day since I started my journey home.  The truth is that I didn’t know at the time what path I was headed towards.  I just knew that I needed clarity and that I could not attain that clarity while acting out sexually.  I knew that I needed a clear mind in order to make the choices on how to spend the rest of my life.

In order to understand where I was coming from it is necessary to back up a little bit.  I am 53 years old.  I first discovered masturbation when I was 16.  During those early years the craving and intensity of those feelings were extremely powerful.  I knew that it was wrong but did not really understand why.  It was wrong just as much as lots of other things were wrong.  I had always been a good kid and done the right thing, but this was definitely something I could not resist.  I remember seeing my face in the mirror back then while I was experiencing this pleasure.  I was used to seeing an innocent boy looking back at me.  Not anymore.  Now I saw a face with eyes that reflected a darkness about them.  I was no longer innocent.  There was a deep-rooted evil within me.  The problem was that I liked and craved that evil.  It was liberating.  It brought me pleasure that was other worldly.  The fantasies that I would create in my head were captivating and intense.  Many of them were dark in nature and centered around extreme and unhealthy thoughts.

I never told anyone about this.  I had no idea if anyone else had these same thoughts.  I assumed that no one in my circles would understand what I was dealing with.  As a sincere bochur I really wanted to shteig in learning.  I felt very torn.  I was inwardly very depressed.  Sometimes I had to go out once or twice during seder to relieve myself of the pounding intensity that was going on in my body.  I needed to do that just to be able to focus on the gemara.  So I came back to my shtender feeling like a lowlife, no longer dealing with intense cravings, but carrying a brickload of guilt for where I was holding.

My cravings drove me to do some crazy things.  Sneaking xrated magazines into the bathroom at times.  (and then having to figure out how in the world to dispose of them.) When I turned 18 I had access to a car.  With that came access to all sorts of “adult” places.  The magazines were now replaced with movies.  I don’t remember the complete timeline but I do know that when I was 21 I learned about all the different things available in nyc at that time. There was a lot available.

I carried my heavily guarded secret with me into marriage.  I don’t like to look back and say “what if”, but it is clear to me now that my thinking and decision making was very negatively impacted by my secret.  I could never be honest and open up completely. I did not seek out proper guidance. accordingly I entered into a marriage that was doomed to failure from day one.  I was not discovered.  I didn’t fall apart.  But I married someone who was not healthy and there was no relationship.  (had she been healthy it may have ended even worse for me...)

I was now stuck with my secret, my guilt, my loneliness and divorce on top of it all.  Even though I had a good reputation and was still considered a good learner, there were not many good opportunities for someone in my position.  The shidduch crisis had not yet hit and a young divorced guy was not high on any solid girls list.

On the other hand, my secret life did not care if I was divorced or not.  I started working and had access to some money.  My phone bills grew every month from paid phone services.  I knew where and when to go and act out on my fantasies and I became very comfortable spending time in very disreputable places.  This was all BEFORE high speed internet.

I did not fix myself at all during this period.  I am sure that there were times that I davened for the strength to stop what I was doing, but I did not have any tools or anyone that I was comfortable talking to.  On the outside I was fervently frum ehrlich and idealistic.  On the inside I had a problem.

A couple of years went by and I was introduced to a frum girl who took interest in me. She saw the frum ehrlich and idealistic side of me and that is what she wanted.  She seemed nice enough and I married her despite the fact that there were many red flags.  Even before we were married I knew that I would have to carry more than just my side in the marriage.  However I was so lonely and she was so interested in me that I decided that I would make it work no matter what.

So for over twenty years and four kids I made it work.  As my wife became less and less functional, I took over more and more responsibility.  My children grew up without a mother and I was a husband without a wife, but we were a family.  I devoted myself to ensuring that my children grew up as happy and healthy as possible even though they never had a mother to nurture them.  We took the best trips and vacations and everyone was jealous of us. (I tried to take care of my wife as well but that never worked out. Obviously my secrets were a big factor but ultimately the problems were just too big…) I also learned how to work around my responsibilities and find time to feed my fantasies.  I was doing well enough to be able to afford what it cost and I also developed friends from my secret world.  To them I could talk about anything.  I had no secrets from them.  The only thing they never knew was my real name.

Over the last few years things started to spiral.  My children were all growing up and I no longer needed to devote as much attention to them.  My wife was also becoming harder and harder to be around.  I would take “business trips” for days at a time to get away and also to connect to my other world.  It became harder and harder to know which was the real world and which was the fantasy.  By this time I also had deep emotional attachment to some friends from the forbidden world.

This is the background and the general picture of my steady decline from yeshiva bochur to sexual addict.   The following is the timeline of how hashem pulled me out….. I wrote this  early this year…

1)Over the years I tried here and there to stop but never with outside help. I came to a point where I did not really think it was possible to stop at all and just decided to embrace that life and make peace with it.

2) my marriage at home was fairly miserable. I was married to someone who became less and less functional over the years. I had to be the mother and father to my children. My own acting out was a stress relief and keeping me sane on the one hand but it was drawing me further and further down a rabbit hole. (to be clear the marriage did not cause the problem the problem preceded the marriage )

 3)Over the years countless people (from the other world) had asked me how I reconcile my religious lifestyle with the forbidden stuff that I was into and I answered them honestly that I could not reconcile it, I just preferred not to have to think about it.

 4) A couple of years ago I realized that I was becoming more and more miserable at home (the dysfunction was significantly worse) and I knew that I needed to get out of this marriage. At the time I even contemplated leaving the religious life and following my friends into a fully promiscuous lifestyle. In hindsight this was never really an option. If nothing else I could never have done that to my kids.

5) at the same time I went to the siyum hashas and the religious side of me was inspired to begin Daf Yomi in earnest. That actually gave me the first stability that I needed to turn my life around.  It had been decades since i had any serious learning commitment.

6) when Covid hit I ended up becoming even more involved in the Daf and spend even more time on it.  I was lucky enough to be in a chabura that met on zoom with a captivating magid shiur.  we were often on zoom for over two hours.

7) I was still fully involved in the forbidden life and so the hypocrisy became even more glaring to me.

8) I spent a few days Vacationing With some friends -  it was an extremely promiscuous environment. Even so, these were people that I was able to open up about everything and they were fully aware of all my struggles. They also really cared (and still do care – edit – I no longer have contact with any of them) about me. I spent a half a day walking around deep in conversation with one of my friends about my future and goals. After speaking to her I felt like my mind was clearly made up that I cannot move forward in life unless I get divorced.

9) Although I did not share my secret life with my Rav, he felt that he had enough information to encourage me to move on with my life as well and he validated my decision as did my family and friends. (my children were very relieved that I took this step)

10)I was finally able to end my marriage A little over a year ago (in December 2020). While it was a difficult thing to do the after affects were an incredible peacefulness that I have not had in 25 years.

11)I knew that I wanted to go for therapy but was not ready I needed to decompress after the marriage and I just continued doing -what I was doing until then - on both of the religious side and the forbidden side.

12)As soon as I got divorced people started to approach me with dating opportunities. On the outside I told everyone that I was not ready but on the inside I knew that there was a side of me that was secret and that there was no way I would ever marry someone again that didn’t know all of me.

13)I also realized that being over 50 if I don’t do something about this now I am going to run out of time.

14)right after sukkos this past year I went on vacation again. This time my friends were not able to be there. Most of the time I spent hanging out I realized that I just did not belong here. I believe that this feeling was a gift from Hashem and it was as a result of me keeping up with the Daf even while living in proverbial Soddom and Gomorrah.

15) when I came home I decided that I had decompressed enough and that I am going to try really hard to finally change. I fully expected to fall flat on my face.

16) I did not delete any of my accounts or contacts. I just stopped going onto any sites. I was very busy at work and at home preparing for a child’s wedding so it was a good time to stop. I was afraid to announce my war to the yetzer hara so I tried to just do it under the radar without putting on any filters etc. (to clarify, if felt from experience that i could inspire myself to delete everything but that could cause me to have very strong desires to get them back, see 22 below)

17) it was at that point that I joined GYE. I started getting the daily boosts and was religious about listening to them first thing in the morning when I woke up.

18) I posted my first posts and if you read them you will see that I did not think it was possible for me to become clean.

19)I started looking for a therapist and started posting to try to be connected. I spoke to Yaakov from GYE and I spoke to someone from relief. For the first time in my life I was verbalizing and acknowledging to other people The extent of my problem.

20) I joined the 90 day challenge. Initially, I  just planned on working on porn and websites (and worse)and figured that I would work on mzl later on. But then there was a post that being mzl was a fall (even though it probably wasn’t because I wasn’t working on that) So I decided to be careful with Mzl as well And I started the 90 days from The last time I knew I had been mzl. At this point I became fully emotionally invested in this fight.

21) I cannot explain it but since I started this process I have not had a fall. Occasionally there will be some tingling of an urge, like when they were girls in bathing suits in the hotel where I was staying but I have been accustomed to pushing away the thought Before it takes hold. I have become better at that as time goes on.

22) ive mentioned a few times on the forums that the best defense is a good offense. As time has passed and I have slowly but surely been deleting apps. Trying to slowly but surely keep moving forward. At this point I would not be worried about handing my phone over to someone because I don’t think (edit – I know there isn’t anything) there’s anything on it that I would be embarrassed about. I did this slowly over time because I did not want to awaken the feeling of mayim genuvim yumtaku. The stuff was available if I wanted it …This worked for me probably would not work for many. While I put some restrictions on my iPhone I do not have a filter through tag. My work is not about filters it’s about changing myself. If I come to a point where I need the filter, the filter will not help! I may put a more serious one on at some point but not right now.

23) at the same time I looked for different ways to increase my awareness and sensitivity for Kedusha. I bought the book the battle of the generation and read a chapter religiously every night.(edit – about the finish in a few days for the third time!) I also bought a Siddur that focuses on teaching you that davening is a relationship with hashem.

24) along the way over this past year I also spent time developing some relationships with religious people and rabbonim that are happy and encouraging and a positive influence. (edit – I told my full story to a rav and he is the one that I ask halacha questions that can be affected by my story.  E.g. listening to music when normally asur)

25) I spend a lot more time now with headphones on especially when walking from the train to work. This can be Daf Yomi related or just music but it takes me out of the streets and puts me in my own world.

It is hard to describe how far I have come in such a short time. I have hinted at the depths of depravity that I have travelled but for most people it’s beyond what they could imagine. I have always been a good person at heart and I can’t fully explain how I fell so far. I really hope that this lasts and is not just a four month swing in the right direction. Maybe this is how the yidden felt when the mitzriyim were chasing them after yetzias mitzrayim - on the one hand they were finally out, on the other hand they were scared the mitzriyim were chasing them and they would have to go back….

edit – it is now nine months and I am no longer looking over my shoulder. Of course I always have to be vigilant, that will never change.   I am comfortable with who I am.  I understand (through therapy) much more of my personal vulnerabilities and how to deal with them in a positive way.  I am hopeful that I will soon be able to finally have a real relationship with a wife that understands me.  My only secret now is GYE. (my friends and family have no idea.) I have opened my heart and soul and cried rivers of tears during the course of some deeply emotional writing on these forums. I can’t wait to share it all with someone really special who will do the same with me.

29 Jul 2022 14:26

Vehkam

Fightforfreedom wrote on 29 Jul 2022 08:30:
hi,

I am 34 now and have browsed this site on and off.
I am hopefully taking it seriously now.
I started this week to join a smart recovery meeting.
it is giving me motivation to do changes get support.
I do feel a strong pull to hold on to this addiction and not let go a day after going to meeting.
In a way stronger and more powerful urges..
I gues like with everything that a person takes on there is strong pushback.
I am committed to the meeting so hopefully that can keep giving me the strength.
I am planning to hopefully set up to speak to a. Therapist.

My background:

Growing up I was a shy kid and a introvert.
I moved countries when I was 10 years old.
I started keeping all my thoughts and feelings inside me hardly ever sharing to anyone what I was going thru in my life.
till it came to a point of hardly talking at all.
Carrying all my worries in me.
I dealt and I am still dealing with anxiety, some depression  social anxiety.
I struggled going to Minyan from 13 year old.
I still struggle with it. its connected to social anxiety.
I am and still not able to thrive and function and using my talent.
I struggled many years financially 
Someone recently helped me tremendously in getting on my feet financially. 

All along I'm dealing  what started out as masturation from 9,10 year old till I found at 21 and did both p&m sometimes once a day sometimes once a week.
I hope to take it seriously now. I see how its effecting even physically now
I gotta make the change now!!

and especially to deal with my emotions underneath.

thank you for taking the time to read

Sincerely,

Fightforfreedom

welcome to the forums. i understand everything that you wrote.  I lived that life for many years.  Now that i have broken free, i have a menuchas hanefesh that i have never had in my adult life. Please continue to post and connect here.  We are all here to help each other.  

I gained tremendously from therapy as well and definitely recommend it to help with the underlying issues.  (often totally unrelated to sex...)

continued hatzlacha,
vehkam
Category: Introduce Yourself
29 Jul 2022 08:30

Fightforfreedom

hi,

I am 34 now and have browsed this site on and off.
I am hopefully taking it seriously now.
I started this week to join a smart recovery meeting.
it is giving me motivation to do changes get support.
I do feel a strong pull to hold on to this addiction and not let go a day after going to meeting.
In a way stronger and more powerful urges..
I gues like with everything that a person takes on there is strong pushback.
I am committed to the meeting so hopefully that can keep giving me the strength.
I am planning to hopefully set up to speak to a. Therapist.

My background:

Growing up I was a shy kid and a introvert.
I moved countries when I was 10 years old.
I started keeping all my thoughts and feelings inside me hardly ever sharing to anyone what I was going thru in my life.
till it came to a point of hardly talking at all.
Carrying all my worries in me.
I dealt and I am still dealing with anxiety, some depression  social anxiety.
I struggled going to Minyan from 13 year old.
I still struggle with it. its connected to social anxiety.
I am and still not able to thrive and function and using my talent.
I struggled many years financially 
Someone recently helped me tremendously in getting on my feet financially. 

All along I'm dealing  what started out as masturation from 9,10 year old till I found at 21 and did both p&m sometimes once a day sometimes once a week.
I hope to take it seriously now. I see how its effecting even physically now
I gotta make the change now!!

and especially to deal with my emotions underneath.

thank you for taking the time to read

Sincerely,

Fightforfreedom
Category: Introduce Yourself
29 Jul 2022 03:38

Kavey

This sounds haughty as I write it so please forgive but for me it helps to center myself around Ratzon Hashem.

- Why do I have temptations others don't? I have an addictive personality...who created me that way? Hashem. So I accept who I am
- How do I hope to maintain over the long term? By taking pride in the moment. It's not a struggle it's an accomplishment where every second counts and then for me at least it's looking back on the mountain I've been climbing and seeing how far I've come and not wanting to lost it.
- Burn out. I think you recognize this but for me it's very important to recognize that it's Ratzon Hashem that I take care of my mood. When I have stress at work (which happens frequently) I try to ask myself whether Hashem wants me to be stressed about this and then also considering that He's the one truly orchestrating my parnassa it helps me get my mind out of the situation (also helps me justify taking a break).
- How do you deal with situations? That's where the mentors and partners come in. You were the one who reached out to the chevra and got Trouble to commit to a weekly conf call which I unfortunately missed. I think you know what to do there
- Whatsapp I would maybe say a bit differently from Vehkam. I think being that you've been around the block there is room to 'dip your toes in the water' and see if you can navigate/have changed at all or get out quickly imho
26 Jul 2022 15:04

Lchaim Tovim

Trouble wrote on 26 Jul 2022 11:38:

Ready2work wrote on 26 Jul 2022 11:33:
I feel I'm stuck with my addiction, this what I'm am... Outside I put on a mask and  playLike nothing wrong. This sometimes puts me down. 

real work invested into bettering yourself and improving this situation should lift you up.

This so true. Often we think that it's all about the results. That's the way we're conditioned to think. When it comes to matters between us and G-D it's all about the effort..
Category: Break Free
26 Jul 2022 11:38

Trouble

Ready2work wrote on 26 Jul 2022 11:33:
I feel I'm stuck with my addiction, this what I'm am... Outside I put on a mask and  playLike nothing wrong. This sometimes puts me down. 

real work invested into bettering yourself and improving this situation should lift you up.
Category: Break Free
26 Jul 2022 11:33

Ready2work

I feel I'm stuck with my addiction, this what I'm am... Outside I put on a mask and  playLike nothing wrong. This sometimes puts me down. 
Category: Break Free
25 Jul 2022 23:37

connected

doingtshuva wrote on 25 Jul 2022 23:02:
Your doing great and keep it up.
Just have in mind and prepare yourself a new goal.
​Reaching 90 alone doesn't solve your addiction.
Once we reach 90 the anderline starts to fade.

​Good luck and don't forget to celebrate. you deserve it!!

Thank you!
Yeah, I'm kinda apprehensive of what the coming days/weeks will bring. (The drag of Monday morning...)

Gotta stay vigilant. 
25 Jul 2022 23:02

doingtshuva

connected wrote on 25 Jul 2022 19:54:
89 days
The furthest I've ever made it (I look forward to writing this line every day now...)

Here's a line that came to me from a past life as I'm standing just a wee few hours away from 90 days.

You know that feeling you get when you're standing in a high place... sudden urge to jump?... I don't have it.



Yeah, neither do I.
Baruch Hashem for that.

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Your doing great and keep it up.
Just have in mind and prepare yourself a new goal.
​Reaching 90 alone doesn't solve your addiction.
Once we reach 90 the anderline starts to fade.

​Good luck and don't forget to celebrate. you deserve it!!
25 Jul 2022 18:09

Chooseurname

5Uu80*cdwB#^ wrote on 25 Jul 2022 01:24:

Chooseurname wrote on 25 Jul 2022 00:04:
Why is it some times are so easy and some are so hard?

Two weeks ago I fell, hard. For basically an entire week. This past week, with no effort put in or changes made, was a breeze. Not that I was withstanding nisyanos, the avenues I feel in the week before were still available but I had no desire for it. I'm not complaining, but I am confused.

It's very... confusing how one week can be so challenging and the next so easy.

Anyone have any explanation? Any advice on how to make concrete gains while the going is good?





Insightful post, thank you for sharing. One thing you can consider in terms of keeping going once you have momentum is that some people, once they get going on a clean run, think to themselves, "Oh, it's only a matter of time before this ends..." They have other fatalistic thoughts similar to this and they end up dooming themselves and giving up because "it's going to happen anyway". These are nothing more than the lies of addictive thinking. If we can come to believe in ourselves and know that we can indeed win day by day, you have a good chance.
As for why one week is harder than another, there could be a million reasons. Are you fantasizing more in the hard week? Are you in less tzanua areas? Are you seeing more triggering things? These are all exacerbating factors. When they are present, the challenge is nearly impossible. When you avoid them, the challenge evaporates almost completely. I personally believe that fantasizing is at the root of it all. Reflect on your past week of success and try to identify how you stayed clear of these exacerbating factors.
You can do it.

Great points. As I was writing the question I thought about it a littler harder, and there probably were some subtle changes that made a difference. For example, a tough time for me is when I'm bored at work and this past week I was working in the same room as someone else so I couldn't act out when I was bored. I still feel like those differences don't fully explain why one week can be so much harder than the next though.
Category: Break Free
25 Jul 2022 17:52

Lchaim Tovim

@willnevergiveup Thank you for sharing your perspective.

I'm not saying I'm abstaining here so why not try losing weight while I'm at it.

I've been trying to lose weight before I decided to embark on my most recent 90 day journey. Interestingly enough, I am having more success with lust than weight.

I just feel that there are so many tools that I'm utilizing to combat my addiction with lust, maybe they'll be helpful in combatting my addiction to food.

That being said, shabbos was a disaster so Sunday was a disaster because couldn't get back in the mindset of dieting. Need to figure that part out.
Category: Just Having Fun
25 Jul 2022 01:24

5Uu80*cdwB#^

Chooseurname wrote on 25 Jul 2022 00:04:
Why is it some times are so easy and some are so hard?

Two weeks ago I fell, hard. For basically an entire week. This past week, with no effort put in or changes made, was a breeze. Not that I was withstanding nisyanos, the avenues I feel in the week before were still available but I had no desire for it. I'm not complaining, but I am confused.

It's very... confusing how one week can be so challenging and the next so easy.

Anyone have any explanation? Any advice on how to make concrete gains while the going is good?




Insightful post, thank you for sharing. One thing you can consider in terms of keeping going once you have momentum is that some people, once they get going on a clean run, think to themselves, "Oh, it's only a matter of time before this ends..." They have other fatalistic thoughts similar to this and they end up dooming themselves and giving up because "it's going to happen anyway". These are nothing more than the lies of addictive thinking. If we can come to believe in ourselves and know that we can indeed win day by day, you have a good chance.
As for why one week is harder than another, there could be a million reasons. Are you fantasizing more in the hard week? Are you in less tzanua areas? Are you seeing more triggering things? These are all exacerbating factors. When they are present, the challenge is nearly impossible. When you avoid them, the challenge evaporates almost completely. I personally believe that fantasizing is at the root of it all. Reflect on your past week of success and try to identify how you stayed clear of these exacerbating factors.
You can do it.
Category: Break Free
22 Jul 2022 20:21

connected

A thought Lekavod Shabbos Kodesh.

(This is the way I understand it.) One of the biggest obstacles standing between a person and greatness is being afraid of changing. We're comfortable with our deficiencies and we're afraid of being bigger than we currently are.

This is how I understand עזיבת החטא. Letting go of the mistaken way.

We hold onto it for dear life because that's what we know, and we feel safe with it. It's our identity. We have to learn to let go.

Addiction means a human being held captive by "something".
A חטא means a human being holding on to "something" and not letting go.

As long as we hold on to it, we can't move forward.

Let go, and grow.

Shabbat Shalom

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