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24 Feb 2016 03:26

markz

BTBH

By me, loneliness was the opportunity to act out on my base desires, it wasn't caused by loneliness.
My base desires are under control so loneliness doesn't exacerbate anything.  Am I saying the same as you?
Probaby not - just thought to share

Feel free to email me anytime too
markzgye@gmail.com

Keep on Trucking even when all alone, were with you!!!
23 Feb 2016 15:10

iwant2begood

Mazes tov on your 70th day!! Keep on trucking!!!
22 Feb 2016 02:52

markz

With Gd by my side Im still sober, and NOT dry drunk either
Guys - Things haven't changed much since page 1, and nor has your support, which I appreciate to no end!

2000 posts!
Wow!
Maybe it would be advisable to retire now peacefully
:pinch: Warning: Spoiler!


On this auspicious occassion, I am accepting on myself bln to upgrade my eye 'guard' for the next month - not to google search images, even though I keep the 1 second rule, and even though my good YH says I should continue for the sake of GYE, the wise sage that he is...

We gotta just
Keep On Trucking
TOGETHER
Category: Introduce Yourself
18 Feb 2016 18:43

markz

Hey not all "recovery buddies" are old

Keep On Trucking
Category: Introduce Yourself
18 Feb 2016 04:45

markz

Welcome back

YOURE DOING AMAZING!!

something tells me you should NOT drop the Success of your streak

The issue of your pending
MAZEL TOV
is a good question which I hope someone can answer for us

KEEP on TRUCKING
Category: Break Free
16 Feb 2016 11:51

markz

Welcome!

Phone conference is great idea

Can you explain what you mean "killed countless relationships" - I didn't understand that one

IMHO ask a LOR or Mashgiach, for their advice - if they are judgemental (they're in the wrong if they do), just KEEP ON TRUCKING - find a different person you're close with to talk to

Hatzlacha and Mazel Tov!
Category: Break Free
16 Feb 2016 02:00

markz

Yesodi wrote:

markz wrote:
See HERE

Keep on Trucking

Thanks for offering an answer. Unfortunately, I did not find it extremely helpful:
  • As for the insight that "she is right, and I am a dufus" -- this is something I already know, and have also made clear to my wife. I am the first to admit to the many, serious, faults that I have and that often annoy or anger my wife.  And I also understand that it is MY responsibility to do my best to fix my own shortcomings. But without quality communication with one's partner, and in the face of an almost constant barrage of negativity and hostility from one's partner, it is very hard to make any progress in fixing one's shortcomings in "solo" mode.
  • As for the attention-deficit problems to which you allude: as part of my honest efforts to do all that I can to "fix myself," I underwent testing that discovered that I too suffer from such problems. And thus I've been taking Ritalin for the past several years. However, while it definitely does help in clearing my brain-fog and sharpening my concentration and focus, it is not a magical cure-all.

But Tachlis, I did not find your answer to be so applicable to my situation. Thank you, nevertheless, for trying!



Was that a reply to the link about jobs I sent you?

I'm lost
Category: Introduce Yourself
16 Feb 2016 01:33

Yesodi

markz wrote on Unknown:
See HERE

Keep on Trucking

Thanks for offering an answer. Unfortunately, I did not find it extremely helpful:
  • As for the insight that "she is right, and I am a dufus" -- this is something I already know, and have also made clear to my wife. I am the first to admit to the many, serious, faults that I have and that often annoy or anger my wife.  And I also understand that it is MY responsibility to do my best to fix my own shortcomings. But without quality communication with one's partner, and in the face of an almost constant barrage of negativity and hostility from one's partner, it is very hard to make any progress in fixing one's shortcomings in "solo" mode.
  • As for the attention-deficit problems to which you allude: as part of my honest efforts to do all that I can to "fix myself," I underwent testing that discovered that I too suffer from such problems. And thus I've been taking Ritalin for the past several years. However, while it definitely does help in clearing my brain-fog and sharpening my concentration and focus, it is not a magical cure-all.

But Tachlis, I did not find your answer to be so applicable to my situation. Thank you, nevertheless, for trying!
Category: Introduce Yourself
16 Feb 2016 00:55

markz

See HERE

Keep on Trucking
Category: Introduce Yourself
14 Feb 2016 20:58

markz

The emunah and more that you will find in the white book (see links on the "Free Lust Towing" page)

Since you claimed OCD and other issues, I felt may be beneficial to see this post from 2009 - Please let me know if it helps you at all

Ykv_schwartz wrote:

Hi eye.  I have read your posts and see you are a great warrior.  Before I begin, I need to introduce myself.  My name is Yaakov.  I used to be an addict, but B”H, I have been healed from the addiction. I was addicted for close to 20 years and for 15 years I attempted to break this terrible addiction but I never had the strength nor courage to do so until I came to this wonderful site and was able to get my addiction out in the open and realize that I am normal. B"H, it is now 10 months of absolute freedom. 

I know I will get criticized, so I will take a deep breath.  Thank G-d for me, that Guard likes me.  This is not meant to be chutzpah, but I am really l’shem shamayim about this.  But I really feel strongly about what I am about to write. I have thought about this topic for a very long time now, and I still do not have complete clarity on how to convey it.

Now, I would like to address your issue.  I wish I would be able to clarify this issue you brought to the forefront, but unfortunately, I have to agree with your wife on this one.  Most controversial issues on this site I remain silent, but this one I am very passionate about and I feel very strongly that this particular attitude is not only a cop-out and dangerous (which I wholeheartedly agree with and will discuss soon) but is immature.  A true man is one who can admit his mistakes and ask forgiveness.  This is not a sign of weakness but rather strength.  We live in a generation where we wish not take any blame for ourselves.  We always blame ALL of our problems on the next person or “our disease”. I believe this attitude is one of the biggest hindrances to any self growth and it holds us back not only of our addiction but all of our character flaws. And if I may add, I have seen fellow addicts stumble over and over again because this attitude permeates in their subconscious.  They are simply not ready to take responsibility for their actions.  In my own personal life, I played the "blame game" for so many years.  When I was young, it was brother's fault.  Then it was my friend's fault.  Then it was my teacher's fault.  Then it was the SAT's fault.  Then in was chemistry's fault.  Then it was english comp's fault.  And then it was pschocology's fault. Then it was boss's fault.  Then it was wife's fault.  Then it was my ADHD's fault.  Then it was therapists fault. And finally I was running out of people to blame it on.  Then it was "I was born that way".  But as I matured, I realized where the responsibility rests and I have the keys to change.

First allow me to address the sources on bechira and then we will revisit the issue of “taking the edge off guilt”. 

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Regarding the sources, I do not want to elaborate too much, but I would like to encourage you to read Rambam’s “hilchos teshuva”, chapter 5, where he address all the basic ideas about bechira.  For a more philosophical discussion , see chovos halevovos, shaar avodas elokim, perek 8. The material is too lengthy to repeat here, but if you are sincere in your quest, you will look up the sources. In my weak-minded understanding, after reading the Rambam, there is little room for the above belief that you quoted.  But he makes it clear that our mitzvos and averiros are a result of our bechira (NO distinction between past and present, it does not even make sense).  He explains that this is one of the tenets of Jewish faith, and only a person who believes in this can be lead to teshuvah.  There could be other opinions, but I personally could not find any that make the assertion you quoted.  (And yes, I read the FAQ.  In fact I once corresponded with Guard in this issue.  The first FAQ, does not quote sources.  The second one is a totally different issue; that is the issue using Hashem to fight the yetzer hara.  And yes, the 12 steps idea of bringing Hashem into battle is a Jewish one.  Though, the Jewish emphasis is slightly different, not for now. The famous question how that fits in with bechira is addressed by many.) Again, if I am  misunderstanding the Rambam or if there are other mainstream opinions out there, forgive my ignorance. 

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Now I will explain why this is detrimental.  Unless we really believe we are in control of our actions, it will be very hard to break our addiction.  Our addiction, by definition, is lack of control.  The more we believe we are not in control, and cannot be in control, we are feeding our addiction more.  (As an aside, when you do research on people who failed 12 steps, it is because this point.  See Recovery Nation for a very clear explanation of this phenomenon. The purpose of declaring powerlessness is two fold. But not for now.) 

In my personal journey, it was at the moment that I realized it was my fault, and more importantly, ADMITTED to myself that I am in control of decisions, I am at fault, I am to blame, and it is MY responsibility and I WANT to change, was I able to change.  [It has been over ten months without nisyonos, B"H.]  You would be surprised to realize that most people do not really believe in free choice.  I am not talking about what people have been trained to say they believe.  But what they believe in their hearts is another thing. Internally, we are scared to admit it, because the blame falls on us and then we have to change. 

Children constantly say “It was not my fault”.  But a grown man says, “I made a mistake, can you please forgive me.” And I truly great man takes responsibility of all his actions even the ones that were not really his fault. [This does not imply that you can beat the addiction all alone with just will power, but rather it will be your driving force to recovery.  More about this later]

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So where does this leave us?  What could we do to take the edge of the guilt?  The first thing to realize is to have proper perspective on guilt/shame/regret (whatever word you like). Guilt/shame (don't get caught up in semantics) is only healthy if it leads to change.  However, it can also lead to depression. See this article from Rabbi Twereki.  He wrote another one about the difference between guilt and depression which I cannot seem to locate.

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The problem is most people cannot handle guilt as it often leads to depression, as we look at ourselves as failures.    So this lead us to the second principle to do take the edge off the guilt.  We just don’t think about it.  Even for me, it can be too overwhelming when I think about the terrible things I did.  The shame is too strong.  So what the baalei mussar tell us is to just not think about the past.  It is usually not productive.  We can’t live in the the past.  This is perhaps the yesod that Guard meant to quote.  But this is not because we are not responsible for it, but just because it is not productive to think about it.  It is like a person who got himself into terrible debt.  His main focus is to continue living a happy life while at the same time try to figure out how to pay back his loans.  He cannot dwell on the mistakes he made that lead him to this situation. Nor can he dwell on the fact that he has tons of debts on his shoulders.  He needs to focus on paying back.  But that does not mean he is not at fault.

I know a person who, due to his terrible addiction for wealth, got himself into major mess, where he ended up stealing from the people who are closest to him.  The person’s life is obviously a disaster.  But he cannot focus on all the bad things he did because he will get no where.  Right now he is focusing on building a somewhat kosher normal life for himself. Only after he rebuilds himself can he go back to his past as he realizes what damage he did and try his best to make amends. And the same it is for us p**n addicts.  Our primary focus is what we can do now to make it better.  On Yom Kippur, we will dwell on our past mistakes.  And for those that can handle it after maintaining sobriety.  But now, we will dwell on our future potential. 

There is a great sefer called “Vehaer Eneinu”, about shemiras Eynayim.  I read this every morning.  It is a magnificent sefer, with tons of chizuk, advice and attitudes.  In the back of the sefer, he includes a part of another sefer of his about simcha.  Chapter 3 is devoted to this yesod.  The idea of not allowing our aveiros wear us down.  Also, read all of my dear friend bardichev’s posts, who always make mention of this yesod

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The third principle to realize to take the edge off the guilt is regarding addictions in general.  We can debate from today till tomorrow how each one of us got ourselves into this mess in the first place.  Was it our fault or was it not our fault.  It makes no difference.  One thing is clear; an addict’s level of bechira is very low.  What this means is that his pull for sin is great, and he does not know how to use his bechira faculties.  This puts him at “low fault”.  A great read on this is Rav Dessler’s kuntras habechira, vol I, page 111.  I discussed on my succa thread some sources that make it clear once a person is an addict, his bechira is down, way down. He may not even be punished for the later sins.  And for most people, it means, they don’t know how to maintain self control.  This is where therapy/12 steps and the like fit in.  We learn how to regain our self control.  Because, as an addict, we simply do not know how to do it.  And I think this something we all on the forum can relate to.  Yes, we had bechira.  But the odds were against us, and we simply were not trained on how to use it.  This should not open the doors for continued addiction, but it eases the pain a bit and it is very true.

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There are some other principles to understand but I want to move on to a very powerful principle.  This is the fourth principle to take the “edge off the guilt”.  We must realize that as much as we made a mistakes in our lives, we can fix the mistakes of our lives. Making mistakes is part of life.  We are human.  But as long as you do not fix your mistakes, you are a failure.  But if you fix your mistakes, you are a hero.  G-d has given us a great gift called teshuvah where we are able to undo our mistakes and lift ourselves higher than we were before the aveira.  It makes no sense.  And that is why G-d had to make a new “creation” just for baalei teshuavah.  As long we were able to lift ourselves up, as you and all the other great warriors on this forum do, we become heros.  The seforim tell us that G-d gives these challenges to the special people, and by overcoming lust we are actually raising the world.  A great read on this is in Arvei Nachal parshas Ki Seitse.  Understanding the greatness of teshuvah can be so liberating and uplifting.  People who do not take the time to remind themselves how great they are for having accomplished true teshuvah, may risk remaining morbid. It is ok to proud of yourself once in a while. 

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Final Remarks:  As much as we recognize we made mistakes, we need to forgive as well.  This means a wife needs to forgive her husband (after seeing that he is sincere and is recovered) and more importantly, the recovered addict needs to forgive himself.  This closes the last wounds.  As stated above, we are human, and as humans we make mistakes.  However, when we admit our mistakes, commit to never do it again, and effect the change, we are deserving of forgiveness.  This forgiveness gives us closure.  We are ready to move on in life.  A lot goes into forgiveness. But not for now.  This is a very healthy approach.

I hope you benefited from this. 

With immense love to another sincere Yid,
Yaakov


Keep on Trucking
 
Category: Introduce Yourself
10 Feb 2016 18:31

markz

Rightkedusha wrote:
Markz, I get your point.  But I think that if I have some blockage to social media, it'll help me while I work on myself.

Agreed

I was stating my experience that filtering alone (without other tools) for some of us is a waste of time

Keep on Trucking
Category: Introduce Yourself
10 Feb 2016 06:14

Shlomo24

Workingguy wrote on Unknown:

markz wrote on Unknown:
Filter? The reason WG mentioned on 5th post on this page is the best - reduce contact

​I have to disagree with what WG wrote last
"If you're here and your ready to work and are actually committed to change, THAT will stop you from acting out."

Sorry pal. We all tried that till discovering gye. It didn't work

I'm gonna get slammed again for my comment on filter, but here goes

I have a low level lust struggle, and rely some level of restrictions ("good night calendar" absolutely protects me from my wife's treife phone, and Covenant eyes reportin system is a backup I have on my PC's)

When I was lusting and couldn't access a computer, I'd pickup in the middle of the night to purchase porn magazines etc...

RKedusha, I don't believe filtering is what you should be focused on now. 

Find what actually works, then add the filter as backup

The filter alone does NOT work for me, and is not the reason for existence of gye

Which is why when you click 'filter' on the gye dropdown it takes you OUT of gye to a different website (the admin will have my head for saying this)

So - get onto cordnoys call in 20 min and take it from there

KEEP ON TRUCKING


Mark


Markz

I actually mostly don't disagree with you. When I said that being committed to change would stop you from acting out, I didn't mean that you can think your way out of this. All I meant is that if you haven't decided for real to quit then no filter will help.

BUT if you DO decide to quit AND do something about it, then you have a shot. I had no intention to just convey that deciding was enough. As I wrote it I realized that it might be taken that way but I was too lazy to add.

In regard to the filter, I don't disagree with you in concept either. You need a plan, an approach, and then the filter helps that and without it it's worthless.

But I still don't understand why you think he should wait to install it. He's going to get it eventually anyway.

For most of my time on GYE, my computer has had monitoring but no filter and I know how to get around some of the monitoring. And now I have a filter for the kids only; I have the password. And this level of deterrent didn't always stop me when I was interested in bypassing it, but it did often enough.

Now that I made a decision that I really had enough, it doesn't really matter that much one way or another. But I would never feel comfortable having wide open internet, bc hats too easy and too readily available to get into trouble.

You are saying something that I resonate with verymuch. If I am willing to be sober then I have a chance, if I am not willing then nothing will stop me at all. The saying goes that god won't keep an addict sober if the addict is still holding on to his addiction. I need to be willing to lose it all and not, "lust like a gentleman", anymore. Some days are better than others in that aspect.
Category: Introduce Yourself
09 Feb 2016 19:21

Workingguy

markz wrote on Unknown:
Filter? The reason WG mentioned on 5th post on this page is the best - reduce contact

​I have to disagree with what WG wrote last
"If you're here and your ready to work and are actually committed to change, THAT will stop you from acting out."

Sorry pal. We all tried that till discovering gye. It didn't work

I'm gonna get slammed again for my comment on filter, but here goes

I have a low level lust struggle, and rely some level of restrictions ("good night calendar" absolutely protects me from my wife's treife phone, and Covenant eyes reportin system is a backup I have on my PC's)

When I was lusting and couldn't access a computer, I'd pickup in the middle of the night to purchase porn magazines etc...

RKedusha, I don't believe filtering is what you should be focused on now. 

Find what actually works, then add the filter as backup

The filter alone does NOT work for me, and is not the reason for existence of gye

Which is why when you click 'filter' on the gye dropdown it takes you OUT of gye to a different website (the admin will have my head for saying this)

So - get onto cordnoys call in 20 min and take it from there

KEEP ON TRUCKING


Mark


Markz

I actually mostly don't disagree with you. When I said that being committed to change would stop you from acting out, I didn't mean that you can think your way out of this. All I meant is that if you haven't decided for real to quit then no filter will help.

BUT if you DO decide to quit AND do something about it, then you have a shot. I had no intention to just convey that deciding was enough. As I wrote it I realized that it might be taken that way but I was too lazy to add.

In regard to the filter, I don't disagree with you in concept either. You need a plan, an approach, and then the filter helps that and without it it's worthless.

But I still don't understand why you think he should wait to install it. He's going to get it eventually anyway.

For most of my time on GYE, my computer has had monitoring but no filter and I know how to get around some of the monitoring. And now I have a filter for the kids only; I have the password. And this level of deterrent didn't always stop me when I was interested in bypassing it, but it did often enough.

Now that I made a decision that I really had enough, it doesn't really matter that much one way or another. But I would never feel comfortable having wide open internet, bc hats too easy and too readily available to get into trouble.
Category: Introduce Yourself
09 Feb 2016 19:06

markz

As i mentioned - I sure hope you were on cordnoys call as I was (lucky day for me - during work is usually impossible)

moish that was a great share - I heard yours previously - and it's a chizuk for me!

Lets keep on Trucking together!!!!
Category: Introduce Yourself
09 Feb 2016 17:59

markz

Filter? The reason WG mentioned on 5th post on this page is the best - reduce contact

​I have to disagree with what WG wrote last
"If you're here and your ready to work and are actually committed to change, THAT will stop you from acting out."

Sorry pal. We all tried that till discovering gye. It didn't work

I'm gonna get slammed again for my comment on filter, but here goes

I have a low level lust struggle, and rely some level of restrictions ("good night calendar" absolutely protects me from unfiltered phones, and Covenant eyes reportin system is a backup I have on my PC's)

When I was lusting and couldn't access a computer, I'd pickup in the middle of the night to purchase porn magazines etc...

RKedusha, I don't believe filtering is what you should be focused on now. 

Find what actually works, then add the filter as backup

The filter alone does NOT work for me, and is not the reason for existence of gye

Which is why when you click 'filter' on the gye dropdown it takes you OUT of gye to a different website (the admin will have my head for saying this)

So - get onto cordnoys call in 20 min and take it from there

KEEP ON TRUCKING


Mark
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