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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 02 Sep 2010 14:44 #77640

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The Never Believer wrote on 02 Sep 2010 14:02:

heres my revised third step prayer:

Hashem, I offer myself to You--to build with me and to do with me as You know best.  Relieve me of the bondage of self, that I may better do your will.  Take away my difficulties so that victory over them will bear witness of Your Power, Your Love, and Your Torah to those I would later help.  May I do Your will always!


Once we are rewriting this (and I like it much better re-written), can someone propose a plain english alternative to "relieve me of the bondage of self"  I have to think at least twice every time I say that as to what it means.  And, in any event, I don't think the word "bondage" is good word for a sex addict. 

Finally, why are we only bearing witness only to those that we later help.

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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 02 Sep 2010 16:27 #77663

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The Never Believer wrote on 02 Sep 2010 16:05:

...that victory over them will bear witness....


What does that line mean. I never understood that one???
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 02 Sep 2010 16:41 #77668

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The Never Believer wrote on 02 Sep 2010 16:29:

that when people see that i have triumphed over this addiction and other difficulties with your help theyll say "wow so this hashem dude really does exist and he is all powerful"

asseh lema'ancha im lo le'ma-aneinu


Hashem please take away my difficulties, fears anxieties angers resentments etc, so that I can better serve you, help others, and be mekadesh Your name.

I often say this in Shema Koleinu. It really helps me.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 03 Sep 2010 18:30 #77780

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me too
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 03 Sep 2010 18:42 #77782

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Yiddle2 wrote on 02 Sep 2010 16:41:

Hashem please take away my difficulties, fears anxieties angers resentments etc, so that I can better serve you, help others, and be mekadesh Your name.


The Never Believer wrote on 02 Sep 2010 16:05:

will.  Take away my difficulties so that victory over them will bear witness of Your Power, Your Love, and Your Torah to those I would later help and the rest of the world.


Just an observation there is a difference between the two.  Yiddle's version focuses on the individual's actions to be mekadesh shem shomayim.  The 12-Step version (or TNB's variation) focuses on the kiddush shem shomayim that comes from Hashem's salvation.  These are two different concepts.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 03 Sep 2010 19:13 #77786

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ur-a-jew wrote on 03 Sep 2010 18:42:

Just an observation there is a difference between the two.  Yiddle's version focuses on the individual's actions to be mekadesh shem shomayim.  The 12-Step version (or TNB's variation) focuses on the kiddush shem shomayim that comes from Hashem's salvation.  These are two different concepts.


Yiddle2 wrote on 02 Sep 2010 16:41:

Hashem please take away my difficulties... and be mekadesh Your name.


How is that focusing on my actions? I am asking Hashem to take away my difficulties so that I can be mekadesh His name because thats what He wants. Thats what step 3 is all about.


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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 03 Sep 2010 19:27 #77790

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The way I read it one says take away my problems so that "I . . . can be mekadesh shem shomayim" through my actions.  The other says that by You taking away my problems all will know that You are in control which will bring about a kiddush shem shomayim.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 07 Sep 2010 22:30 #78075

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Nu, whatever, at least they both seem to be about me being useful, meaningful, and fitting in to the Big Picture, no? Anything's better than sitting in my corner in my own mind, gnawing at my bones while I wonder if I am good or not, and how good I really am?....
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 07 Sep 2010 23:13 #78085

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The Never Believer wrote on 07 Sep 2010 23:04:
so im slowly incorporating hashem into my recovery and into my daily life. today woulda been a perfect day to act out. my wifes calling every half an hour screaming that the kids are battering her to a pulp and that theres too much to do and too little time. emergency after emergency had popped up at work; some of it mighty stressful. most of the time that leads to bad bad things. so what did i do today? well this morning, recognizing that recovery wasnt as prioritized in my mind as it should be and feeling like my vigilance is slipping, i called my recovery partner and pledged my daily sobriety renewal. we went over things that i am grateful for and we discussed what steps i will do today to help my recovery such as turning to hashem for help (i prayed using the revised third step prayer) and literature i will read. i also listened to dov and guard's appearance on chai fm.


Wow.  What a way to enter Rosh Hashana.  At the doorstep of temptation but turning around and saying no thank you.  Keep it up no matter how hard it is.  K'siva V'chasima Tova.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 08 Sep 2010 16:16 #78143

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The Never Believer wrote on 08 Sep 2010 14:33:

so im trying not to feel the high. im trying to ignore that im running a little streak into rosh hashana because i am trying to avoid the drama. the drama: the highs i feel when things are dandy and the lows i feel when things slip away are both enablers of the addiction. the addiction trains us to believe that life requires drama; highs and lows; and then the addiction fills the self-created need for drama with porn; yuk! keep me away.

and the truth is like dov said in the chizzuk email a few days ago, the past and the future are fictitious words we invented to represent stuff that does not exist. there is no such things as the past or the future so one day at a time is not only a mantra but its a way to live life like a realist (Holden). and thats the other thing this addiction hates: reality. the more reality we can bring into our lives the less room there is for the addiction to take hold: i really believe that.

so i wont pat myself on the back (i may break my spine). instead, i ask hashem to please look into his purse and pull out another sober day for me today like he did before. thank you, sir, may i please have another.


I think you make an excellent point there about the highs and the lows. It really shouldnt be that because I am on a high point and have x days of recovery that I can be happy and and enjoy life and when I act out and look at women on the street its a low point im the scum of the earth. It shouldnt be that way. It should be constant. Obviously with growth spiritually and in other areas. But our mental state idelaly should be that today is today, yesyterday is history and what the heck is tomorrow?

Thank s TNB (if thats what you meant....)
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 21 Sep 2010 17:17 #78835

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The Never Believer wrote on 21 Sep 2010 01:09:

I'd like to live before I die.


Ya mean like, right before you die? Like 2 or three seconds before? Or maybe a few hours or days before....(how about maybe a couple of years, maybe, or something like that?).

Just being a smartypants, but I mean it, too.
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 06 Oct 2010 23:36 #79811

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Congratulations!!! Finally!!

....What the hell are you talking about?  ???
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 07 Oct 2010 00:26 #79814

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Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 07 Oct 2010 02:10 #79833

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I think its a line from a Steve Martin movie.  I am not sure what the connection is to this program, though.
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Re: Heart Frozen Solid, Thawed Once More By The Spring Of Rage, Despair, And Hopeles 07 Oct 2010 02:19 #79835

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Steve Martin....S M....that's the only connection I can come up with....oh, well...
"Off the 18-wheeler and fine on this tricycle!", "I do not particularly care exactly which "lav" suicide is. I'm not interested in it for other reasons...and you are probably the same."
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