ZemirosShabbos wrote on 24 Jan 2011 21:37:


Thank you.  I needed that. 


I like your style of mussar.  You post as if you are talking to yourself. You are afraid that if you post this in my own thread my feelings may be hurt.  ;D

It's OK. I got the message anyhow! 

well, if you would have listened when i asked you keep your cat on a leash i wouldn't have had to resort to this type of public flogging...

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 24 Jan 2011 21:37:


Zems, we agree but please have rachmonus on us all.  If you let the secret out.  No one will come visit our threads, they"ll all just be hanging out on your thread.

bardichev wrote on 24 Jan 2011 19:58:


my rebbe used to say 99% sure is 100% unsure!

ur-a-jew wrote on 24 Jan 2011 23:14:

if we know where everyone will be hanging out then maybe Guard can sell ads on that thread

Here are the ads.  ;D

the guy on the bottom should definitely not be climbing telephone poles barefoot

I think he heard you.

Looks like he's trying to put on his shoes.

some more ads?

all these ads are making me feel mostly kitchi allapotosh

have an idea i wonder if anyone can identify with.

i feel that i have come on a long journey (like everyone else). through life in its various forms and permutations, childhood, adolescence, getting married, having children, children growing and maturing into young adults. experience and living and learning are the greatest teacher. many things are clear to me now that many years ago would not have had traction in my mind.

often i see my children or other people who did not have the same experience seemingly repeating similar misconceptions or mistakes that i once had. i feel like trying to convey to them how the issue should be approached differently but at the same time i feel that the only reason i have the correct approach for the issue at hand is because i tried and failed numerous times until i reached a working balance. if someone would've come along before it was clear to me and tried to 'convert' me to the cause before i was convinced i probably would not have been open to the idea.

do i allow the school of hard knocks to do the job or do i try to be the school of soft voices?
experience or doctrine?

or maybe the middle road, meaning i try to give some guidance but ultimately the clincher might only be trying and failing? is this the secret of a good educator?

this is my pre-lunch musings for the day, if this benefits you please make a donation to GYE

"Why deprive your children of the valuable educational tool called Experience?" _(Unknown)

On the other hand;

"Everyone learns from experience. A wise man from others', a fool only from his own." _{(Also Unknown)}

zemms

u r reading too much mishpacha-bina

Rav Hutner once said that one of the tactics of Amalek is to severe the chain of tradition from one generation to the next by making the younger generation feel sufficiently independent to disregard the older generation.
מלחמה לה' בעמלק מדור דור

maybe the focus should be on showing the younger generation how to be open to learning and accepting wisdom. probably best taught by example.