For those of us who are slipaholics. We don't fal as oftenl, we just routinely slip.

I am in the same boat as you rage. I can't lust at all. I fall when I slip. This thread isn't really for me its for the slipaholics! :D

Take it from a slipaholic. If I don't stop, I'm gonna fall. I came VERY close many times. Guys, DO NOT BE CONFUSED. SLIPAHOLISM IS NOT A SAFE SUBSTITUTE. I DO NOT ENDORSE THIS BEHAVIOUR OR IT'S LABLE.

A PLANNED SLIP IS STILL ACTING UPON THE LUST URGE. BETTER NOT TO GO NEAR ANY OF IT. IT IS LUST, PERIOD. IT'S CONFUSING CUZ ITS NOT EXACTLY PORN OR M*.

In fact, there are those who will classify premeditated slips as actual falls, and lose the consecutive counting privileges. Check the rules, but that might be in the GEDER of the personal choices. So far I've allowed myself to treat it this way, but I'm stopping that today. A planned slip will henceforth be considered by me as ending my count, and i'll have to start a new one - bli neder - (but remember, I don't lose my totals!!)

ZD, I'm joking when I call myself a slipaholic. I'm really an escapaholic. Which is the root of my being any kind of holic - my biggest battle is with my facing life and responsibility with courage. I'm working on that. I'm trying to increase my vigilance even more now.

See my journal for more of where I've made mistakes that I'm determined to change today.

Why isn't a Planned Slip considered a fall?

After all, our goal is Guarding Our Eyes!

We repeat the commandment twice daily in Kriyas Shma: Lo sasuru achrei eineichem.


Not noticing anything may be on the level of Angles. We are not there - yet.

Not looking at anything with lustful intent is a level that we can strive to attain.

Yosef, look to your name-sake, the original Yosef Hatzadik. Chazal say that he knew perfectly well what he was doing when he walked into his master's house and no one was home but Mrs. Potifar. That's a pretty big PLANNED SLIP if I ever heard one. Does the world consider it a FALL? Absolutely not! Well, WHY NOT?

The answer is because of his monumental determination to RUN AWAY at the last second, when he saw the vision of his father. The world considers him a GREAT SUCCESS, someone who overcame tremendous drives and desires to stay pure and holy. The Medrash says he wanted her so much that his zerah was oozing out from under his fingernails! That shows us how close he was to the brink of disaster, to FALLING all the way.

His RUNNING AWAY undid the evil of his original intensions, by giving it MEANING AND PURPOSE, as Duvid Chaim would say.

I'm letting my new resolution do the same for me. But i've put myself on notice as i said before. I DON'T want to go back that way again. B'ezrat Hashem, I will stand by my resolve.

The gemoroh says that at that time Yosef Hatzadik lost 10 of the sons that were destined to be born to him. He did lose out.

Which is all the more gadlus! He was so low! He entered to go to her! He pulled himself away! He is a tzaddik. So is Steve, when he pulls himself away!

The gemoro does not minimize his first slip. (Besides, we don't find that he was oiver in the mitzva of Shemiras Einayim.)

Point, counter point. Touchee. I sit corrected.

Note to self:

Yosef HaTzaddik is a real cool dude. Don't mess with him.

Steve wrote on 28 Apr 2010 19:19:

& now we stand united!  :D

Steve wrote on 28 Apr 2010 19:19:

This is the worst thing anyone ever wrote to me!
I crave interaction. You threaten to stay away?  >

Slipahaholics... a great name!

In a way, it is more difficult for those of us who do not crash, as we have a hard time realizing we are hitting rock bottom.

So easy to justify for ourselves, that this is what half the world (make it more like 99%, if you count just the men) is doing.

In real terms, right and wrong are defined by Hashem in the Torah, and what everyone is doing counts for squat.

But it still makes it hard for the individual.

But that is the power of GYE. We can come together for a breath of fresh air, and join a forum where things are absolutely right, the way they will be when Moshiach comes.

kutan

kutan shel hachabura wrote on 29 Apr 2010 12:18:


Reb Kutan Shel Hachabura = Godol Shel Habechira

OY!
Thanks!
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