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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 23 Jan 2017 22:23 #304009

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MayanHamisgaber wrote on 23 Jan 2017 22:17:
good for you
keep on posting and don't give up. yes some posts are hard hitters but it is all out of love i've come to realize this and it helped me understand some of the heavyweights here
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"Sometimes a hard decision leads to an easier outcome."
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 23 Jan 2017 22:29 #304010

That put a real smile on my face!

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 23 Jan 2017 22:34 #304012

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pushing my luck here here's another gem from DOV
Dov wrote on 15 May 2016 18:00:

mggsbms wrote on 15 May 2016 16:25:
I should really shut up because arguing about these things will for sure not get me sober. But..

If I only focus on today what is my motivation. To be normal just today ? I'll handle one crazy day. It's a bunch of crazy days that are the problem. It's running the risk of acting out before my daughter's chupah that scares me to death.

One day at a time may be a tool, for some people. For lots of GYE people it may be a powerful gimmick to trick the yetzer hora into leaving me along or something...but for me it is simple and literal. I am alive now and there is no such thing as "many days" or "a bunch of days". This does not mean that I do not plan for tomorrow or for next week. Rather, it simply means that I train myself to do today's job today, and tomorrow's job tomorrow....not any other way.

It's really an entirely different way of living - of being  - for me. In addiction it was ironically all 'in the moment': I could sacrifice many tomorrows for the comforting lust would give me right then...but the lifestyle filled  me with worry about the future, regrets about the past, and terror of getting caught in a lie. Terror of whether I will be satisfied sexually tomorrow - or ever. Worried about how my kids will turn out or if moshiach will chas v'sholom come before I finally "do Teshuva gemura"...it was very dramatic, very exciting, and very stupid.

Now my emotions come, they wash over me and I stand outside myself observing me having them...and my sponsor helped me see that feelings are not reality, but just feelings. They do not move me into tomorrow, and not into yesterday. They just are. This is how I feel right now. 

Perhaps my daughter will be married in 5 days like you, and there is fear and worry and regret and dissatisfaction, and excitement, and resentment. But all those things are fantasy - just like the naked women I was looking at in the porn, just like the sex scenes playing in my head while I masturbated...not reality. They were there because I needed excitement - or crisis.

Now i am learning to accept G-d's Will as it comes. And by 'G-d's Will' I certainly do not mean 'the mitzvos', and neither does Hashem! G-d's most pervasive and relevant 'Will' is simply how the events of my life are unfolding right now - today. Life on Life's terms, as they say in AA. This is obvious to anyone who really thinks it over. The GR"A calls it the contents of the dot in the 'Beis' in bereishis...the Zohar (and gemora) calls it "istakla b'orayso uboro almo". All of history is in the Torah - not the mitzvos, but what people call 'divrei reshus' is all G-d's Will as somehow expressed in the Torah: how fat you are, how rich or poor you are, if your daughter is happy or smart or not, or if the caterer is nuts or good or how much money you will need to spend, or save, your health and the traffic for all your guests and family the day of the wedding, the photographer being a jerk, someone vomiting on your (geneidigeh) machteinisteh in the mitzva tantz (c"v!...heheh), etc, etc...all factors that will have far more severe and noticeable consequences than what time sof z'man kriyas Shma will be....this is G-d's Will. The ikkar of G-d's Will that we have a horrid time accepting.

It's not about whether we choose to sin or not. It is whether we choose to live with the times - to accept G-d's Will today. Life as it really is....or if we whine our way through it whispering regrets and worries and disappointments all the way through. White-knuckling through life is our big problem, not white-knuckling through sobriety.

I know that once a person works the 12 steps and learns that he or she does not need to white-knuckle through life any more, they will find that staying sober is no problem at all....

And without acceptance of today being more than enough for me to think about, none of this is even touchable.

None of it. 

It's the basis for real living.


gotta sleep but these are from cordnoys thread tryin page 63ish

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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 23 Jan 2017 23:48 #304020

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 23 Jan 2017 20:47:
Some people may view me as not wanting to accept other people's advice.
But think to yourself
(without posting anything, or quoting my words back to me proving the contrary, please)
do you know anyone who is not willing to accept other people's advice who has:
1. talked with a guy in long-time recovery for hours
2. met with a guy in person who is having long-term success
3. called up and joined in the discussion on a 12-step phone conference
4. talked with his personal Rov about this issue 
5. posted almost daily to a website dedicated to help
6. emailed the founder several times
7. emailed a couple of people often who are sponsor/buddies with long-term success set up here
8. willing to read at least parts of the big book
9. sat down and asked a Rosh Kollel his opinion on this inyan
10. listened to many shiurim on this inyan suggested by this site

I highly doubt it.

Sounds like you are in a lot of pain. With Hashem's help you will make it out of this mess. Don't stop doing the hishtadlus you listed above. Hashem is looking down at you very proudly. To keep on getting up after falling, shaking off the dirt, and trying again is extremely admirable.  And don't forget or underestimate the chizuk you have given others - including me. Stay with us.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 08:54 #304061

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Have you tried meetings?


Nah I'm joking.

I enjoyed your post about "if I weren't Jewish, I probably would do it and be okay".
It got me thinking. I know I've heard about it. But you kindled something. Dov says even if masturbating were a mitzvah, he wouldn't do it. Because it will wreck his life.
A good way to understand it is the Arba Kosos on Pesach. It's a big ma'alah to have real wine. But for an alcoholic, it's a mitzvah to have grape juice. And if there is ONLY wine, there is a mitzvah to forgo the mitzvah. Because it will kill him. This is what he describes as chamira sakantah m'issurah.

So for me, well, were I a goy, would I continue lusting? Hmm... why not?
Because I was a goy. I saw the light of the Torah in 2010. Before then, I was driving to shul on Shabbos, enjoying a good KFC bucket. after friday night services. And then my father dropped me home and I hopped onto the PC and indulged in my collection.

Hmmm.

And I was a social recluse. Always blaming others for things going wrong. Making fights with friends because of little subtle things they did. And I had no friends. And when I Did have some girlfriend (a shickse, R"L), gosh I treated her badly. I played mind-games to get what I wanted. Sex, attention, love. I would be sulky if things didn't go my way. And all the while I was lusting, watching porn and masturbating, even though I told myself "I have a girlfriend! Things should be okay!!" And I couldn't understand it.
I told her I loved her so she'd never leave me. So I could always get my fix. But after six weeks, things shot so low and I broke up with her, filled with resentment, fear, disgust, hurt. How could she? We professed our love for one another? She betrayed me!!!
And her life carried on as normal. And mine sunk lower and lower. And I couldn't understand it.
So I got more "manly" and went on to download longer and more hardcore porn, roping my friends into it, laughing at how we're over 18 and it's all cool.
And I had no friends, no direction and no happiness.

And then I became frum.

But perhaps if I was a goy, that would be the point where I found the 12 steps. Because my life was completely unmanageable, yet I was too full of myself to admit it.
And thank God I found the 12 steps not so long ago, or else I'd live my entire life being as messed up as I was before I was frum.

And before I found the 12 steps, well, I fought valiantly, because now I knew it was wrong. But I will just repeat oft-quoted resources now. For further reading, see Dov's post on the Nuclear Reset Button.

Huh. Quite a share. Thanks for pulling it out of me, Yosef.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 12:08 #304085

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Singularity : Kudos to you! What an inspiring story. You took the brave steps in recovering from what lokked like an almost impossible situation. What courage! And if meetings saved your life and sanity it was sure worth the initial discomfort.

Yosef : Get in touch with Singularity and go for the gold!
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 14:02 #304105

Update: I introspected a little bit and feel stuck.
I will be meeting in person with someone who has succeeded long-term.
This is what is going to finally really help me succeed long-term, with HaShem's help.
Forum posts and emails are nice and help with accountability and encouragement and some direction.
And I'll be exercising. 
So 4 main moves to do regularly:
1. meeting with someone to help guide me
2. forum and email posting
3. exercising 
4. long Arizal krias Shema al hamita
Have a great day, everyone.
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nice share, Sing.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 15:13 #304114

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I heard a quote this morning and thought of you and this thread so I thought I'd put it out there:

"It's not the things you don't know that harm you, it's the things you're absolutely certain of that just aren't true."

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 20:16 #304135

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found another really brilliant gem on daily quotes
stillgoing wrote on 10 Aug 2016 16:54:
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 24 Jan 2017 22:43 #304143

"Sometimes you face difficulties, not because of something you are doing WRONG,
but because of something you are doing RIGHT." (still not a perfect quote, but whatever)
That one is a real WINNER.
Thank you!
I had a Rosh HaYeshiva who said that any time we are in the middle of learning
and we get interrupted by something or someone,
it's a simin we were learning well.
The yetzer hara is giving you a haskama that you were learning real Torah,
which it then wanted to interrupt and stop.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Jan 2017 10:32 #304187

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 24 Jan 2017 22:43:
"Sometimes you face difficulties, not because of something you are doing WRONG,
but because of something you are doing RIGHT." (still not a perfect quote, but whatever)
That one is a real WINNER.
Thank you!
I had a Rosh HaYeshiva who said that any time we are in the middle of learning
and we get interrupted by something or someone,
it's a simin we were learning well.
The yetzer hara is giving you a haskama that you were learning real Torah,
which it then wanted to interrupt and stop.

BH!!
I would interrupt my learning for hours on end
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Jan 2017 11:48 #304193

I hit double digits today.
I hope to hit triple digits soon enough...or should I say, one day at a time!
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Sing, I'm guessing that you're joking.
But in case you aren't, what the Rosh HaYeshiva meant was
if something from the outside comes and interrupts your learning,
not if YOU interrupt your own learning.
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I feel some progress was made. I've set up to meet someone to get unstuck.
And perhaps Gibbor will email me.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Jan 2017 11:55 #304194

Enjoy and be inspired (from R. Yechiel Spero):
When R' Moshe M'Kobrin once met a 43-year-old soldier, he said that he noticed there was a very special holiness inside him. So, he asked him, is there something particular that you did that would earn you this incredible glow. The fellow answered, "There were a few things that I did". But none of them seemed to make an impression on R' Moshe that would have warranted this fellow to have such a special neshama glow. The fellow soldier told over that he was given the job of being a soldier in his commanding officer's home. He was meant to guard him. He was on watch, and then one night he heard it would be Sukkos. He remembered as a young child of 7 or 8 the thrill of sitting in a sukkah. The thrill of going to shul, shaking lulav and esrog, and sleeping in the sukkah. He had a tremendous desire to go once more and fulfill that mitzvah, even though it had been decades since he had last performed the mitzvah. But he knew that if he would leave his post, and be caught, he would pay with his life.

A few hours into the night he decided he didn't care. If it meant giving up his life, so be it. He was moser nefesh. He went to a nearby town. He found a sukkah and he knocked on the door, and inside was a peasant. At first, the peasant was scared, but the soldier reassured him that he just wanted to sit in the sukkah. He sat for a few moments and he cried, remembering what it was like to sit in the sukkah. He ate a little bread and quickly ran back to his post. During his entire run back, his heart was beating wildly. If his commanding officer would realize he was gone even for a moment, he would pay with his life.

But R' Moshe was still not satisfied. He said there must be something more. He asked the fellow, "What did you do when you ran back? Was there something you did?" He said, "No, I was terrified. I ran". He said, "But what did you feel like other than terror, any other emotion?" He smiled and said, "Yes,
as scared as I was, I was so happy. I started to skip like I was 7 again". He smiled at R' Moshe, and R' Moshe said that was it. If someone can smile in middle of his mesiras nefesh, that causes one's neshama to glow!

A powerful story for us, even though this is difficult breaking free, we need to do it with a smile!

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Jan 2017 12:19 #304196

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Yosef thanks for the inspiration and mazel tov on the double digits! We all know you can keep it up! It is so exciting to celebrate with you after seeing how you had stated almost unequivocally that it couldnt be done. The road ahead is going to be challenging - urges, withdrawal, etc. As you said it's one day at a time and we will be here cheering you on!
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 25 Jan 2017 12:53 #304199

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Hooray! Go Yosef! We're rooting for ya!

Though if I take it one day at a time, I only end up hitting single digits
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his sobriety level?"
"... It's over NINE-ZEROOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

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