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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 12:26 #298105

I watched the video again and transcribed all of the main points:
Professor of Psychology Bruce Alexander built a "rat park"..."a heaven for rats" where they would have everything they want: a lush cage, colored balls, tunnels, plenty of friends to play with.
What he found was that in sharp contrast to the rats that he put in isolation, who overdosed and died of heroin poisoning, when given 2 water bottles to choose to drink from - one filled with water that was poisoned/laced with heroin and the other filled with regular water, these rats in "rat park/heaven" hardly ever chose the poisoned heroin water.

The videos concludes that:
"Human beings have an innate need to bond and connect. When we are happy and healthy, we will bond with the people around us. But when we can't, because we are traumatized, isolated, or beaten down by life, we will bond with something that gives us some sense of relief. It might be ... pornography, gambling, video games, or cocaine, but we will bond with something, because that is our human nature. The path out of unhealthy bonds is to form healthy bonds. To be connected to people you want to be present with. Addiction is just one symptom of the crisis of disconnection that is happening all around us. We all feel it.
...We have to build a society that looks a lot more like a 'rat park' and lot less like those isolated cages. We are going to have to change the unnatural way we live and re-discover each other. The opposite of addiction is not sobriety. The opposite of addiction is connection!"

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 12:29 #298106

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 20 Nov 2016 11:26:
I almost failed today. 
I'll tell you what helped.
I read: guardyoureyes.com/articles/tips-suggestions/item/the-science-of-habit-change?onepage=1
I also thought about calling someone on the helpline...and almost did.
This article about the nature of HABITS and HOW to break them is fantastic!
It will take re-reading it and implementing the steps in my life to discover how to break MY bad habits.
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I read the post twice that you suggested, and I think it would be great to know HOW to give it up in my heart one day at a time, as opposed to resisting one day at a time. This is not discussed or explained.
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Also, just as an aside: I strongly disagree that HaShem considers that you have already sinned, knowing that you will sin (let's say) in 5 weeks. Only for mitzvahs does HaShem consider machshava k'maaseh...NOT for aveiras! And if you hold out for 5 weeks and then sin, HaShem rewards those 5 weeks tremendously and they are as precious to Him as doing positive mitzvahs. It's not at all as if he has done/accomplished nothing, just because HaShem knew he would eventually sin in 5 weeks. That's ridiculous and wrong.
Here is the part of the post I'm referring to:
When B'nei Yisroel (on Rosh chodesh Nissan) went to take the korban Pesach (in four more days!) Hashem writes: "And Bn"Y went and did as Moshe commanded them." Rashi brings that they went with the intention, knowing that come the 10th of Nissan, they'd take the goat/lamb, and come the 14th, they'd shecht it, etc. In their hearts, it was a done deal. So from right then, Hashem says He considers it that they already did it all!.

Sadly, the converse is also true. We all know in our hearts that we cannot hold our breath forever. So, as inspired as we may be to hold our breath and resist getting that sweet orgasm/fantasy/porn joy we need...we are fully-aware that we are eventually gonna pop. We have not given it up at all, see it as an eventual necessity, and a masculine right. The only guarantee, then, is that we will need to act out when the maximum tolerance of # days clean is reached. So from the truth (Hashem's) perspective, it is as though they already masturbated.

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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 12:41 #298108

What are you talking about??
I am not putting a judgment on it.
I'm not saying whether it is a bad habit or addiction.
I am using the word aveira or aveira territory as a euphemism for watching inappropriate things and acting out inappropriately.
Is that STILL too much of a refined speech?
Must I say "watch porn videos, and masturbate, and waste seed"??
I'm not comfortable doing that all the time.

Choosing to do the aveira or go into aveira territory is what the rat did when it chose the heroin laced/poisoned water. We are frum Jews here, so I don't understand what the problem is calling these actions aveiras or going into aveira territory. Each time it has to be spelled out: looked at immodestly dressed women and masturbated and wasted seed???

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 12:51 #298110

Cordnoy, what don't you follow?
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Also, to Watson and everyone: I am not trying to be antagonistic.
I just want to understand. And to get past this once and for all.
I read and listen to things very carefully. And comment on the posts and articles
as I understand them. This is obvious, but I just want to be extra-clear, since I am new
to everyone.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:13 #298112

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 20 Nov 2016 12:51:
Cordnoy, what don't you follow?
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Also, to Watson and everyone: I am not trying to be antagonistic.
I just want to understand. And to get past this once and for all.
I read and listen to things very carefully. And comment on the posts and articles
as I understand them. This is obvious, but I just want to be extra-clear, since I am new
to everyone.

The two opinions.
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Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:23 #298113

opinion 1: HaShem, knowing the future, looks at it and considers us as having already done something, when we just make up our minds to do it. This is true for mitzvahs and unfortunately also for aveiras.

opinion 2: This is only true for mitzvahs. But not for aveiras! In fact, all the time we restrain from doing aveiras (looking at improperly dressed women, watching porn, masturbating, wasting seed, etc.), we will be greatly rewarded, EVEN if eventually we do the above-mentioned actions in the future.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:29 #298115

To Watson:
I think it's more like a guy getting "punched out".
Sometimes, all it takes is 1 punch.
Sometimes, it takes a cumulative effect of 5 punches or 20.
And sometimes, the fighter wins and the fight is over before the 20th punch that would have knocked him out.
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Did we watch the same video now? I re-watched it and commented about it...and understand it.
Last Edit: 20 Nov 2016 13:31 by Yosef Tikun HaYesod. Reason: flow...answer to Watson's post.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:30 #298116

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 20 Nov 2016 12:41:
Must I say "watch porn videos, and masturbate"??

Yes please. That would be very helpful.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:34 #298117

Did you read my whole post? It's rhetorical. I wrote that I am not comfortable always spelling it out so graphically:
What are you talking about?? I am not putting a judgment on it. I'm not saying whether it is a bad habit or addiction. I am using the word aveira or aveira territory as a euphemism for watching inappropriate things and acting out inappropriately. Is that STILL too much of a refined speech? Must I say "watch porn videos, and masturbate, and waste seed"?? I'm not comfortable doing that all the time. Choosing to do the aveira or go into aveira territory is what the rat did when it chose the heroin laced/poisoned water. We are frum Jews here, so I don't understand what the problem is calling these actions aveiras or going into aveira territory. Each time it has to be spelled out: looked at immodestly dressed women and masturbated and wasted seed???

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:38 #298118

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It would be very helpful to your recovery to call a spade a spade, not using euphemisms.

I mean gevalt! We spent years typing all sorts of things into our web browsers and watching what came up, but for our recovery suddenly we can't bring ourselves to type things as they are?!

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:43 #298119

Did you read the words you just wrote?
I am the one who is calling a spade a spade and wrote aveira!
I feel like I am in the twilight zone and will have to leave here soon, or lose my sanity.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:53 #298120

Cordnoy, do you understand what I mean now?
Do you agree with me or with Dov (the original writer of the old post)?

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 13:53 #298121

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 20 Nov 2016 12:41:
I am using the word aveira or aveira territory as a euphemism for watching inappropriate things and acting out inappropriately.

If you mean pornography, please write pornography.

If you mean masturbation, please write masturbation.

This would really help me (and you) understand what you mean.

(For instance, in the post I linked earlier, the word aveiroh was not mentioned).
Last Edit: 20 Nov 2016 13:56 by Watson.

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 14:00 #298122

Fair enough. I'll try.
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Now, how about the contents of what I have written so far in all of these posts?
Please comment on these.
And, hopefully, several other people with experience succeeding can comment too.
I'm reaching out for help. 

Re: going for 90 days (Feb. 20) 20 Nov 2016 14:25 #298125

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Yosef Tikun HaYesod wrote on 20 Nov 2016 13:23:
opinion 1: HaShem, knowing the future, looks at it and considers us as having already done something, when we just make up our minds to do it. This is true for mitzvahs and unfortunately also for aveiras.

opinion 2: This is only true for mitzvahs. But not for aveiras! In fact, all the time we restrain from doing aveiras (looking at improperly dressed women, watching porn, masturbating, wasting seed, etc.), we will be greatly rewarded, EVEN if eventually we do the above-mentioned actions in the future.

Opinion 1 has nothing to do with His knowing the future. That is where free will comes into play. Regarding intent to do something, chazal say מחשבה טובה הקבה מצטרף למעשה  and regarding sins, either by עבודה זרה or also if one repeats an עבירה.
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