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What are the Interpretations of Slip and Fall?
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TOPIC: What are the Interpretations of Slip and Fall? 2302 Views

What are the Interpretations of Slip and Fall? 28 Jan 2009 18:05 #2580

  • mdmjerusalem
As a warrior who is striving to reach the 90 day mark
I am considerably annoyed by this Chakira

When are we required to restart our climb on the wall again?
WHAT IS THE INTERPRETATION OF A SLIP?

1) Intentionally viewing unclean sights.
2) Intentionally thinking unclean thoughts.
3) Physically experiencing immoral pleasures.
4) Not until an illicit discharge.
5) Personalized definition and depends on the individual's situation.

Chevra, please write your opinion we should have a clearer resolution.
Thanks in advance
MD
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 18:22 #2582

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according to elya, the resident expert, a slip is defined as an action that goes under what your 'bottom line' is.if your bottom line is viewing porn intentionallly, and you view porn intentionally, then you had a slip.if you're bottome line is no mast... and you do it, then you slipped.BUT, so what? get up again.it doesn't matter how many times you fall.there will come a time when you wont fall again, as long as you keep in contact with this group of fine yidden.
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 18:27 #2583

  • mdmjerusalem
I see you pick number 5
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 18:49 #2586

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I would have to agree with Jack that choice number 5 has to be the best understanding of a slip.

The Y"H custom designs his attacks on us.  Therefore, our understanding of a slip must be equally custom designed.
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 19:33 #2588

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In general, I would only consider 2 things to be a slip.

1) Being MZ"L intentionally

2) Intentionally viewing improper sites.

However, in regard to number 2, I wouldn't consider it a slip if someone saw something by mistake and then got a little bit carried away and kept looking at it, or even if someone saw a link and couldn't resist clicking on it but then catches themselves within a few seconds. These type of things do not have to be considered a slip. Only if someone decides to actively pursue viewing bad sites Chas veshalom, that would be considered a slip.

Also, I like MDM's choice number #5 as well, along with Jack's explanation. In other words, besides for the two things mentioned above, anyone can set their own criteria for what they consider a slip. But as long as they did not do one of the two things above, they can stay on the chart if they want.

I should probably add these 2 things to the RULES section of the Wall of Honor.

Thank you MDM for bringing this up.


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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 20:33 #2592

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From my understanding, I think that there is some confusion here. Maybe Elya will clarify.

My understanding was that the above mentioned is called "falls" not slips.  When you go beyond your cut off, i.e. you will not be motzei L'vataleh, and you did.....this is a fall and you start the chart at the beginning. If you only started masturbating and then stopped before the motzei......this is a "slip", and you do not fall off of the charts.

If for you viewing porn intentionally is the bottom, then if you only viewed in unintentionally, this would be a slip,not a FALL (unless you didn't stop).

so "slips" are either, we did something unintentionally, or we began to do something wrong, but we didn't go all of the way. We stopped ourselves. These are slips, and we stay on the charts.
  But, when we went all of the way....even once, this is a fall, and we start all over again.
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 20:41 #2594

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I think "Me" said it good.
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 20:50 #2598

  • Mevakesh Hashem
In my opinion, there are 2 Gedarim (or since it was a Lomdishe Shaila, I should say there are 2 Dinim)

1) Something which is universally considered a fall and which requires a new counting of 90 days: That is like Guad said a) being M"Z L'vatalah and b) Intentionally viewing immoral sites.

2) The second Geder (din) is slipping below a self set standard. L'Mashal: If I was mekabel on myself not to do a certain thing (let's say "gaze" at women in the street for more than a second) and I failed at my self imposed thing and took a second glance at an attractive female in front of me in line etc. This shouldnt require a new counting, at least not for the first offense.

The first Geder is a fall. the second geder is a slip.

What do you think of that shtikel Torah? ;D

Chazak V'Ematz!
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Re: What Is the Interpretation of a Slip? 28 Jan 2009 21:37 #2608

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Excellent! I think we are all coming to the same conclusions.
A fall constitutes one of the two big "no-no"s and requires restarting the count.
A "slip" is what you set for yourself, and does not require restarting the count.
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Re: What are the Interpretations of Slip and Fall? 29 Jan 2009 23:31 #2666

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I added what we discussed above to the RULES page now. See number 8 on this page.
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