Hi,

I was reading the rules for the 90 day wall of honor guardyoureyes.com/90-days-chart/rules and saw that the first item for a "fall" is "Intentional masturbation", how does one masturbate "unintentionally? Perhaps what was meant is "intentional z"l" as opposed to "mikre laila", but is that really the rule? If one masturbates but nothing happened are they "potur"? Somebody please clarify.

Also, I want to bring to the attention of the moderators that the links in the forum description are not up to date.

Thank you.

I always figured that if you start, but stop before you finish it is a slip, not a fall.

Although of course, it is a lot easier to stop before you finish, if you don't start at all.

Ditto what MBJ said. Especially for those who might start without even thinking, literally the force of habit, and catch themselves in the middle.

Just to clarify the obvious, the purpose of the 90-day chart is not to give a din v'cheshbon or a moral assessment of one's tzidkus/madreigah/success rate, or even to give a definitive scientific confirmation that the person has acheived the magic psychological phenomenon 90 days clean. It is merely a motivational tool to get people started in their recovery, and an excuse to make a lechayim when they reach 90. And by its nature, it needs to have some sort of reasonable way of distinguishing between a slip and a fall.

I guess the answer to my question is that "unintentional masturbation" is by force of habit. Thanks for clarifying.