used to mast. every night, in the last week since i started with a phone 12 step program.i was clean sunday,monday,fell tuesday, clean wednesday and altogether more confident,when i fell i said 40 kapitelech tehillim and if i fall again 'll do 50.in a way now that i fell once and had to say 40 kappitelach i think since ive experienced it i have more of a deterrent from doing it again!!!!!!
Lets keep on trucking guys!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to go!!!!!!!!

That is a winner's attitude! Good for you.
Hatzlocho!
Mottel

Hi there TCM and good luck,

Just to add my 2 senses - My experience (trying these various techniques for over 40 years) is that deterrents alone may not be enough without very strong fences. I personally have made vows of $1000 and even $3000 per fall, and I still can't believe how I fell even without major nisyonos (a drunk is a drunk...). I find that vigorously avoiding all forms of lust and asking for Hasems help works like a charm.

Think about it, and may Hashem guide us and shield us - each according to our needs.

MT

machshova tovah,sure, your right but with the 12 step alone without a deterent it also wouldnt float!!!!i have also had a drop of experience(yeah like 2 weeks)!!!!

Welcome to the forum,

tocontrolmyself wrote on 27 Apr 2012 16:39:


It will work--and without all the tehillim, but you need to give it time.

I have recovered primarily through the 12-steps (I joined the phone calls about 3 years ago, and about 1 year ago I started going to live SA groups). I used to act out a number of times each week, then I had a couple of falls each after 7 months, and now I am 10 months and 19 days clean.

Just, after each fall I tried to see where I was weak in my recovery program. I turned it up a notch, learned my lesson, and then kept on moving forward.

If you insist on making nedarim, use the Taphsic method. I'm not so familiar with it, but I think what you do is you have 2-parts to your neder. 1 part, if there's something you know that will deter you from falling, like calling a friend or going outside for a walk. If you don't take this precaution, there's a BIG fine. Then, if you took this measure and still fell, there's a lesser fine. Also, this neder is supposed to be made for a limited time, after which it can be renewed.

It focuses on prevention, and less on fighting the acting out head-on.

The information for this should be easy enough to find on this web site. Nedarim is actually very serious stuff, so please find the guidelines for it.

A main element of recovery is that we are not looking to control ourselves; we are looking to surrender this struggle to Hashem and let Him heal us. We are trying to get out of His way.

Good luck,

Elyah

well guts im on my 8th day clean and im starting to feel sick sometimes even thinking about what i used to do like about acting out.Although i know it could come back with force i felt awesome all week and i think the less one is mzl the easier it gets to resist!!!!

Welcome!
Your enthusiasm is uplifting and an inspiration.
Keep it going!

after ten days clean ive fallen about 6 times in 5 days .started with new resolve today but am really depressed..heaven help...

I know that feeling. You just came off of such a high, and now you feel as though you can't even get your footing. I know it's difficult and you feel like this fight is impossible. But, listen to me. It is possible.
The most important idea to remember is not to get down on yourself. Try to not get caught up in numbers of days clean, number of falls, etc. Just focus on each day, each hour, each moment.
You can pull through this and you will pull through this.
Take it little by little.

Whenever I fell, I found it wasn't new resolve that I needed; it was more help.

--Elyah

ive started a run for 4 days wo mzl and i invented personally for me at least a water tight knas with several stages.lets see how far we can go....

Eye.nonymous wrote on 15 May 2012 21:04:

shavuos=terrible crashed 4 times!!!!when will i be free?

Eye.nonymous wrote on 15 May 2012 21:04: