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Re: Lessons Learned 15 Feb 2022 06:05 #377426

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Hashem Help Me wrote on 08 Feb 2022 12:31:
Just wanted to share a concept which will possibly benefit the oilam:

The pornography industry has successfully promulgated the notion that sex is a sin. Along with that is a feeling that the "private parts" of a man or woman are "bad". To prove it, they point to the fact that society covers those areas.

Our response:

When one walks into a shul, one knows that there is a Sefer Torah there. However it is usually not visible. It is used on occassions of krias haTorah. Sometimes we see it by special tefillos like Avinu Malkeinu and the like, and of course we dance with it on Simchas Torah. Isn't it interesting that our most holy item is enveloped in secrecy? What are we hiding? What is "bad" about it? Of course even a little child would answer that this is a ridiculous way to think. We put the Sefer Torah in an Aron Kodesh behind a Paroches because it is so holy, so important, so delicate, and so needed. We are protecting it. It is not to be handled by anybody and everybody. Lehavdil, we do the same with expensive jewelry. Items are placed in velvet cases and stored out of sight.

There is one eiver in the body that is called "kodesh", and that is the bris kodesh. It is physically and spiritually delicate vulnerable and sensitive. It is very holy and very special. It needs to be protected. It b'ezras hashem is to be used for a great purpose. At the right time it will place some zera in the rechem of a yiddishe mama, and a child will be nurtured in that holy place, where a malach teaches that neshama Torah while in a protected safe and nurturing environment.  The "event" involved in placing that zera is a holy one - involving 3 partners/shutfim - the father, the mother , and yes, Hakadosh Baruch Hu. Shechina shru'ya bei'neihem. This action has been done by the biggest tzaddikim in all the generations. it is not a sin, nor an action that needs to be embarassed of. The Zohar HaKadosh refers to tremendous yichudim that take place...

The body parts involved in this process are not dirty, bad, or things to be ashamed of. (Yes, Adam and Chava had busha from their nakedness after eating from the eitz ha'daas - that was due to their comprehension that these body parts can be used by the yetzer hara too...) If any term could be used to explain this to children, or even how we adults should properly view them and be comfortable with ourselves, maybe it could be said that this area of the body is muktzah machmas chisaron kis - off limits due to it's immense value.

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Very nice post and if it's true, beautiful concept. However, there is definitely a concept of ervah in the torah, that one may not learn or make a brocho in front of nakedness. And ervah is a very derogatory term, as in for example tumahs mitzrayim is also called ervas mitzrayim 
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Re: Lessons Learned 15 Feb 2022 12:24 #377429

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Good point. That began after Adam ate from the eitz ha'daas. Up until then, Adam and Chava were not clothed and they were speaking with Hashem, so ervah did not exist. once tov and ra became mixed, an element of yetzer hara is present in sexuality (which is one of the reasons given why one does not make a bracha on having marital relations). But that does not take away from the fact, that the eiver is inherently kodesh.
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Re: Lessons Learned 17 Feb 2022 05:00 #377510

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If I remember correctly the ramban in his kuntress igeret hakodesh brings philosophers who maintained that it is a gross act.Similar to the catholic priests who don’t get married.  The ramban argues strongly against them. He says if hashem created and required us to be together with our wives that’s how he wants it. It’s obviously not be’divad. I believe he adds the reason we do it under the covers is because it’s too holy.  

Re: Lessons Learned 07 Jun 2022 14:19 #381563

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Mazol Tov HHM on 2,000!  In the past, when you have reached big milestones, you have posted amazing post on these days.  Looking forward....

Re: Lessons Learned 07 Jun 2022 20:48 #381590

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Thank you for your good wishes. Looking forward b'ezras Hashem to post, but it may take a few days.
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Re: Lessons Learned 21 Feb 2023 19:52 #392426

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How can I get access to your other forum "My Story and G-d Bless GYE"?
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Re: Lessons Learned 21 Feb 2023 20:45 #392427

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You should be able to click it in my signature, unless you have not signed up yet for the balei batim (married) forum.
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Re: Lessons Learned 21 Feb 2023 23:50 #392436

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Re: Lessons Learned 22 Feb 2023 03:13 #392450

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Hashem Help Me wrote on 07 Jun 2022 20:48:
Thank you for your good wishes. Looking forward b'ezras Hashem to post, but it may take a few days.

I know what a chasdishah guy calls a few days… but this is a chidesh!
Did you post it somewhere else? 
Or  is it עבור זמנו בטל קרבנו, and I have to wait till you get to day 3000???
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I'm married, How/where do I sign up?
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Re: Lessons Learned 22 Feb 2023 20:19 #392502

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Call the GYE main number and request access. That is how i did it a few years ago. Unless they instituted a new system...
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Re: Lessons Learned 15 May 2023 11:34 #395697

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So one of the guys BH made a kiddush this Shabbos for completing a year clean. Yes, he actually invited his friends and told them what he did.... and it caused some interesting discussions...



He shared that he found a technique that worked very well for him based on a V'yema'ain chizuk email quoting the Shomer Emunim rebbe Zatzal. When he is in the street and sees something inappropriate, he shuts his eyes and being that the Rebbe said that it becomes an eis ratzon for tefillah, he davens for individuals that need refua, parnassa, shidduchimj, etc.  Beautiful idea.




 
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Re: Lessons Learned 19 Jul 2023 04:55 #398958

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The following post was originally placed on a balei batim (married guys only) thread named Gardener of Grodno. It was requested to be made available for everyone, so with a few adaptations here it is:



Part One - A guy reaches out for help with masturbation. In my understanding, a fellow who puts shame and embarrassment on the side because he wants to break free is to be complimented and built up. He should feel that his bruchim habaim welcome was sincere and will encourage him to stay in touch. This fellow definitely deserves honorable titles. He is walking upstream against the tsunami of filth that the decadent society around us produces. One of the great American roshei yeshiva, from the main talmidim of Rav Aharon Kotler zatzal, told me that despite his rarely going out on the street (his yeshiva was very close to his house), "the toxic air of the street comes into his sforim shtub." (exact quote). So if even such a yid felt affected, what do we want from our youth? The triggers to fantasize and masturbate are simply all over the place. So if a guy says NO! I want out of this matzav, he is to placed on a pedestal. And again, not only does our new chaver want to be clean, he is even willing to speak to strangers about a very embarrassing behavior. Does Hashem have nachas from his courageous post/phone call/meeting? Does anyone think not?



Step one in dealing with such a fellow is to make him aware of the facts. In many cases we are dealing with a guy in the yeshiva system - be it american, yeshivish, chassidish, chabad, modern orthodox, sephardic. Therefore i will stick to this scenario, but obviously if the facts are different, the conversation can be adjusted accordingly. He needs to be reminded that he is a good guy who davens, learns, says krias shma, does kibud av v'eim, shmiras halashon, Shabbos, kashrus, gemilas chessed, lulav, sukkah, matzah, shatnez, tzitzis, tefillin, etc. etc. None of that is erased because he has a masturbation struggle.



In addition, most people i have spoken with, upon being questioned if anyone at any point openly discussed the issur of hotza'as zera l'vatala answered that no, nobody ever really explained that there is a siman in Shulchan Aruch about this. If anything they heard about this geshmake feeling of release from a friend and experimented... Although they felt "dirty" and sort of knew something was wrong, the whole thing was very blurry. By the time they came to a level of maturity and da'as and clarity about the issur, they were hooked, and definitely not willing to speak about it. At that point anxiety, depression, desperation, and immeasurable guilt set in - ironically being the trigger to masturbate even more. For the record, most boys seem to also have not been told that they may wake up wet - lack of that preparation can cause a bochur to freak out, and then start "experimenting"..



So looking at the picture objectively, we have a guy with a filled out "chart in shomayim" of mitzvos, with the exception of an aveira that began basically b'onais, and continues compulsively (also b'onais) as a bad habit (or in some cases as addiction).



Nowadays, in many cases, pornography is also part of the equation. Boys are often exposed at very tender ages. Let's speak that through as well. A child growing up in our society is BH being raised in a safe and basically predictable matzav. The adults in his life usually are good people. Parents, rebbis, teachers, custodians, the mailman, police officers, grocery store owners are all part of a pleasant picture perfect world. All these adults give off a message to become a mentch, a ben Torah, a baal midos, to be tznius, etc. Evil? That's in Russia, Iran - far away..  And then this child (and for this context i would include up to age 16 as a child) is exposed to hardcore pornography - sights and sounds that he can't wrap his hands around. He is not witnessing love scenes (and that would be bad enough). He is seeing grotesque evil looking behaviors with adults paid to smile as they engage in these unloving erotic and very not tznius activities. He is confused and traumatized by what he has seen. Subconsciously he starts to wonder "Is this what my parents do? Does my shul rabbi do this? My rebbi?" Well guess what - being that there has been no opening of the lines of communication with those individuals, the boy is not going to ask them about what he saw - letting his imagination create bedroom scenes about those very adults who constantly preach to him about midos tovos, tznius, modesty, kedusha, etc. And as we know regarding trauma, one returns to the abuser for more doses of that abuse - in this case they return to pornography. So their inexorable pull to shmutz comes from two opposite directions - 1. Trauma, and 2. To cause a really geshmak ejaculation. A strange shidduch.....The fact is the level of bechira this bochur has at this moment is quite low.



If one takes the time to patiently explain this to a bochur, and answer his questions, you will actually witness the return of some degree of menuchas hanefesh to this fellow. "You really mean i am not a rasha? Hashem doesn't hate me? I am allowed to daven? There is hope for me? It is not as much my fault as i have been thinking?" In addition it is very important to share that this is a very common issue. To some degree or another there are many wonderful guys struggling. Do not deny the fact that there are BH guys that never started masturbating. And there is no need to claim any specific percentage of how many guys are acting out - whatever it is, it's a lot of guys - good normal guys - with choshuve last names as well. Similarly, we are not giving the green light to continue masturbating; we are just giving perspective. The goal is to help him stop - the way to get there is to put him at ease with the truth.



Part Two - Once the guy is a bit calmer, it is time to clarify some facts. Most important fact - There is no room for yi'ush - one can b'ezras Hashem get better. The belief that one must ejaculate is false. Much has been written about this and debated on the forums - too much to write out comprehensively right now. The fact is there are single guys who BH stopped completely and are clean for hundreds of days. Some of them have been a great source of chizuk for beginners by making themselves available to speak. Others have simply graduated, moved on, and put the whole thing behind them. There are also guys who so far have been unable to stop completely, but have minimized the frequency tremendously. Loads of guys have gone from being "masturbators" - meaning masturbation was part of their daily ritual or their sole "go to" to deal with stress, boredom, loneliness, rejection, and now they are "clean" - they have learned healthy ways to pacify themselves, yet for whatever reason they still masturbate on rare occasions, maybe once every few months. They have also learned that a fall does not have to become a disaster. In the past a fall after a few days clean meant acting out with a vengeance numerous times to "get every last drop out". Now it means getting up after the initial fall, reaching out for chizuk, and moving on after one masturbation episode. And that is also called getting better! imagine coming to Yom Kippur and telling Hashem "Last year i masturbated hundreds of times - i am not even sure how much; but this year i only masturbated six or maybe seven times". 



I have found that a reward system - a small monetary prize for staying clean - tailor made for the guy's needs is very beneficial. Together with a daily or almost daily accountability phone call/text, the success rate is BH very high. Sometimes such a system is necessary for a few months. Besides the goal setting, the ability to be in contact with a mentor is invaluable. Advice, a shoulder to cry on, chizuk, a bop on the head, whatever is necessary is available. It should be set up in a non obsessive way - a bochur should be living his own life - be it yeshiva, working, vacation, or whatever - he doesn't need you as his new spouse, and he shouldn't be focusing on this so much. His daily feeling of self worth should be coming from the "meat and potatoes" of his day - his learning - his job - his general shmiras hamitzvos, not hyper-focused on this issue. At the same time let him feel comfortable when an urge hits to reach out and have you help him bust it. Just do not become codependent. 



As far as how to help bust urges, GYE provides many great strategies. I have my own but they are not so conventional, and therefore will not appear on this post.



Obviously for all of this to work, access to pornography must be cut off completely. With rare exception, one cannot stop masturbating while still viewing arousing material. And besides, pornography is assur and highly toxic in and of itself.  Filters, kosher phones, contracts regarding device usage must all be put in place for all the above to work. A healthy conversation about what sexuality is and is not, what real sex and intimacy look like as opposed to what is seen on the screen, as well as detailing what happens when rach"l a wife catches a husband watching pornography are all major motivators to seriously kasher one's viewing habits. I find that when a guy hears that as far as a woman is concerned - watching pornography is basically the same as having sex with a prostitute, they start to realize the pain and trauma they will cause a future spouse. And guys really are good. They want to be good, they want to be close to Hashem, they want to do mitzvos and not do aveiros. They have been blinded by the pornography industry, along with feeling unable to live without the constant arousal and thrill. When you turn on the light of truth and they start to understand how hurt their wife will be, it is a game changer.



This is a summary of what we can share with a bochur who is struggling. I think the original question was "What can we expect from him?" The answer - nothing - just help him develop his own answer. It will be much better than where he is now. And he is great for trying.
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Re: Lessons Learned 19 Jul 2023 05:15 #398963

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starting wrote on 15 Feb 2022 06:05:

Hashem Help Me wrote on 08 Feb 2022 12:31:
Just wanted to share a concept which will possibly benefit the oilam:

The pornography industry has successfully promulgated the notion that sex is a sin. Along with that is a feeling that the "private parts" of a man or woman are "bad". To prove it, they point to the fact that society covers those areas.

Our response:

When one walks into a shul, one knows that there is a Sefer Torah there. However it is usually not visible. It is used on occassions of krias haTorah. Sometimes we see it by special tefillos like Avinu Malkeinu and the like, and of course we dance with it on Simchas Torah. Isn't it interesting that our most holy item is enveloped in secrecy? What are we hiding? What is "bad" about it? Of course even a little child would answer that this is a ridiculous way to think. We put the Sefer Torah in an Aron Kodesh behind a Paroches because it is so holy, so important, so delicate, and so needed. We are protecting it. It is not to be handled by anybody and everybody. Lehavdil, we do the same with expensive jewelry. Items are placed in velvet cases and stored out of sight.

There is one eiver in the body that is called "kodesh", and that is the bris kodesh. It is physically and spiritually delicate vulnerable and sensitive. It is very holy and very special. It needs to be protected. It b'ezras hashem is to be used for a great purpose. At the right time it will place some zera in the rechem of a yiddishe mama, and a child will be nurtured in that holy place, where a malach teaches that neshama Torah while in a protected safe and nurturing environment.  The "event" involved in placing that zera is a holy one - involving 3 partners/shutfim - the father, the mother , and yes, Hakadosh Baruch Hu. Shechina shru'ya bei'neihem. This action has been done by the biggest tzaddikim in all the generations. it is not a sin, nor an action that needs to be embarassed of. The Zohar HaKadosh refers to tremendous yichudim that take place...

The body parts involved in this process are not dirty, bad, or things to be ashamed of. (Yes, Adam and Chava had busha from their nakedness after eating from the eitz ha'daas - that was due to their comprehension that these body parts can be used by the yetzer hara too...) If any term could be used to explain this to children, or even how we adults should properly view them and be comfortable with ourselves, maybe it could be said that this area of the body is muktzah machmas chisaron kis - off limits due to it's immense value.

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Very nice post and if it's true, beautiful concept. However, there is definitely a concept of ervah in the torah, that one may not learn or make a brocho in front of nakedness. And ervah is a very derogatory term, as in for example tumahs mitzrayim is also called ervas mitzrayim 

This is a good question but not a proof. If a man is together with his wife and is mekayim the great mitzva of pru urvu he still must go to the mikvah to eat truma (or to learn according to takanas ezra). Doesn't mean its bad.
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