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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 16:00 #36403

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nu? so do we get to hear the recording?
I am proud of myself today because of who I am becoming with progress, not perfection
one day at a time
I am a pickle, and I'll never be a cucumber again. and pickles are YUM!

my thread: guardyoureyes.com/forum/6-Women-on-the-way-to-90-Days/248941-Letakains-internet-addiction-journal
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 16:45 #36416

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ovadia wrote on 21 Dec 2009 14:24:

I am not sure. I think like this. B"h I am still clean since I started the 90 days three weeks ago. I dread the day that I might fall, but if I do c"v then I will be able to speak about it with everyone. Now if I know everyone personally, I am sure that it is going to be much harder to be open about it. Maybe the first time c"v I will still be ok with it, but if c"v it happens again I am sure that at some point I will begin to be embarrased, and then.....
Im not here to to say your feeling arent valid. But i will say; Embarresed?? Embarressed of what dude?? We are all in the exact same boat!!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 17:10 #36421

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I hear his point - it's embarrassing to look someone in the eye and admit that you fell, especially in this area...

But still, the support and relief you get from being able to do so is SO worth it!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:09 #36435

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About 70 years ago a doctor and a drunk went to the famous Carl Jung and asked him what would it take
to take away the guilt and shame, the stigma and the hopelessness from drinking too much alcohol, raging
and then feeling bad about it later.

Carl Jung answered "let people get together in a group and tell their stories and when they are finished
telling their stories, do not criticize or give advice - just accept that person for who they are."

We are all in this together.  The proven way to get better and heal is to literally speak the shame and
guilt out of your mouth and out of your body, similar to what we do on Yom Kippur at Viduy time.  It
is difficult to admit your faults and falls in public AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE MUST DO IT. We
co-dependent, addictive, compulsive, lonely souls must learn to fill up the gaping holes in our souls
with honesty instead of with acting out in our dis-ease.

What we hold in our bodies and our minds grows more powerful, like le'havdil a cancer, chas v'sholom,
and the more power we give it and let it grow the more it affects us negatively..  Rigorous honesty is
the key. 

The power of the group concept cannot be overstated.  Isolation and loneliness are our worst enemies

and our addiction's most treasured friend.  And he reminds us constantly that our isolation will shield us
from having to be honest with ourselves and others.  and this is the power  our addiction has over us, until
we kill the obsession by talking about it.... about our feelings... about our loneliness.... and yes, about the
details of our acting out.  Not in vague generalities like , " I did that m word thing"  but actually saying it
and getting it out.  Not necessarily here on the forum, but also in person.

Once I get to a certain point on this board it doesn't let me type anymore. Do you have this problem?


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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:15 #36437

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Elya wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:09:


Once I get to a certain point on this board it doesn't let me type anymore. Do you have this problem?

Elya


I have the same problem on my home computer.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:16 #36438

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Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:15:

Elya wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:09:


Once I get to a certain point on this board it doesn't let me type anymore. Do you have this problem?

Elya


I have the same problem on my home computer.
Yes i do. I wonder if it has to do with my computer or the forum. :-\
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:17 #36440

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hey, i thought im the only one. I also do...
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:20 #36443

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Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:22 #36446

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Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:20:

Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.


That might be right.  At home, I have Vista and, at the office, I have XP.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:23 #36448

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Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:22:

Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:20:

Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.


That might be right.  At home, I have Vista and, at the office, I have XP.
Ive got Vista too. Bad vista.
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:24 #36449

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Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:22:

Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:20:

Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.


That might be right.  At home, I have Vista and, at the office, I have XP.

So do u only have the problem on your vista?
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:26 #36450

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Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:24:

Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:22:

Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:20:

Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.


That might be right.  At home, I have Vista and, at the office, I have XP.

So do u only have the problem on your vista?


Correct.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:29 #36452

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i only have the problem on the work xp.
at home, vista works fine.
didn't know everyone had this prob
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:34 #36458

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habib613 wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:29:

i only have the problem on the work xp.
at home, vista works fine.
didn't know everyone had this prob


That sounds like Vista is not the problem.

A workaround is that, when your post gets long, cut and paste it to a document (Word, WordPerfect, etc.).  Then type the rest of your post.  Finally, copy and paste the earlier text from the document to your post.
Just as an alcoholic needs to avoid that first sip, a lust addict needs to avoid that first slip.Slip today? No way! ;)Fall today? No way, Jose'!
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Re: Kumzitz in the Holy Land 21 Dec 2009 18:35 #36460

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Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:26:

Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:24:

Kedusha wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:22:

Kollel Guy wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:20:

Yeah, I thought it was another vista defect.


That might be right.  At home, I have Vista and, at the office, I have XP.

So do u only have the problem on your vista?


Correct.
habib613 wrote on 21 Dec 2009 18:29:

i only have the problem on the work xp.
at home, vista works fine.
didn't know everyone had this prob

That means it has something to do with our individual settings, nothing to do with vista.
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