oh man!
you helped me 2 dov....!
all your words are fire gainst my taava!

git shabes

Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 28 Apr 2011 19:43:


R' Yossel, could you please explain to me in simple English what on earth that means?

ביים העלפן מייכסט די אויך קאליע
וויל רעדן פין דעי ענינים איז שאוין אליין נישט גיט

ben durdayah wrote on 30 Apr 2011 21:18:


I cannot. I do not understand it clearly. That is why I just quoted verbatim.

In case the meaning may be different when taken in context, here is more of that conversation (Edited for privacy purposes):
________]
...........
I spoke with the Mashgiach several times and so did ........

It would be helpful if more people spoke to him. He seemed happy about the site, said [i] wrote:

The Big Book states that we are unlikely to be successful in the 12 Steps if we try to work them alone, in isolation. It NEEDS to be undertaken as part of a group.

The 12 Step Phone Conferences of GYE weren't doing the trick. Probably because I was only 'learning' about them. [They are termed 'Big Book Lunch & Learn Calls' after all!] What was lacking is the personal 'working the Steps'. Yes, I did think about them, filled in a 4th Step worksheet, had a two hour long 5th step conversation (with a great guy!), made 9th Step calls etc. but it was all m'safa u'lechutz, it was not encompassing my entire being. What I need is, , someone to lead me through them step-by-step and DEMANDING introspection. I need to work in them in a less public and more intimate manner. The honesty & sharing is easier. Can't GYE fulfill the 'obligation' of the Big Book's 'working in a group'?


Anyone have any thought or insight in this matter?

Anyone offering to be my sponsor? (Or undertaker?  ;D )

YHTz,

Isn't that what Dov's Group does? I haven't attended, but I got the impression that it was all about working and not learning.

YVY

YVY is right....we hope. 

Wow Yosef, You're really opening up here.

How about you keep on posting your progress right here.
Otherwise we can all hit you over the head with possum clobbers.

This way you are sure to move forward with the steps....  or get a big headache.

as for undertakers, you are undertaking a wonderful task.

koecadwalaot

Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 01 May 2011 17:01:


I believe I've seen the Nesivos Shalom use the term "Nargan" and what he meant was a Mechitza between us and HKB"H. Maybe with the context you provided the Mashgiach means "either way" whether through the attraction to Pritzus that brought you here or by visiting GYE "you are placing a Mechitza" between you and HKB"H because solving the problem of Pritzus by talking to other people, including women, about Pritzus still creates a Mechitza because you're still not ready to put Hashem's Will 1st; you're still letting things get in the way of your relationship with Him.

Perhaps?

If that's the case then MOST of his Hazhara would not be Nogeyah any more since the site is now separate seating and the moderators have boosted their vigilance. There is a touch of innappropriate discussion and access to stories that could be harmful, but I believe it's Yatza Schar BHefseido, especially for heavy addicts. Everyone still needs to be careful. Don't think the Yetzer Hara doesn't know about GYE and hasn't himself posted on the forum. It wouldn't be Olam Hazeh if he wasn't welcome on GYE! But I bet the Yetzer Hara does a better job at tripping up those who have considered but haven't yet visited GYE than those who are active on GYE. Anyone up for the bet?


YVY

Since
________]
I spoke with the Mashgiach several times and so did ........

It would be helpful if more people spoke to him. He seemed happy about the site, said [i] wrote:


These words sound to me like it is meant to be a partial approval - not disapproval.

Maybe the person who wrote it to me transposed the letters G & R. It may be meant to read Nagra = an ax. As in the loshon hagemara: shada bah nagra.

The Mashgiach may have been saying that both ways,  either with GYE or with only the Torah/Mussar approach, we shall break the Yetzer Horah.

Or, maybe he meant that between the two of them TOGETHER we will be able to attain freedom from his clutches......

Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 03 May 2011 15:41:


... or maybe he was saying that it's a good idea to speak to him directly! That would certainly clarify the statement and I can almost guarantee you won't regret it.

Or maybe YOU speak to him?      ;D


I also heard from another guy who spoke to the Mashgiach that he is a bit skeptical about GYE....

Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 01 May 2011 17:01:


it seems to me that what Rav Wolfson said "minay ubay shada bay narga" he meant that from the Internet itself, which is often the vehicle and enabler for people to access porn, there is a site (GYE) through which one can gain tools and support to combat the misuse of the Internet.

________]
I spoke with the Mashgiach several times and so did ........

It would be helpful if more people spoke to him. He seemed happy about the site, said [i] wrote:



ben durdayah wrote on 30 Apr 2011 21:18:

YVY wrote on 03 May 2011 13:43:

Yosef Hatzadik wrote on 03 May 2011 15:41:

ZemirosShabbos wrote on 03 May 2011 16:22:



WOW! We are being medayek the words of a Talmid Chochom almost as deeply as those of the Big Book & the White Book!!!      :

Recovery is not found on the internet, and it is not found on GYE, not in the beis haMikdosh, and not with the Rebbe (any Rebbe), and not in SA. It is only found in our own mouths and hearts, that we may do it (la'asoso). Sounds familiar...

OK, sorry for that preachy seriousness...we will now return to our normal programming.