I think that when most people talk about pedophiles they mean pedophiles that have hurt children. You should not take there comments to heart.

everyone has been giving supporting posts. I want to add myself to the list.I have as well as others have no judgements against pedophiles who are trying to change and be good people. I think everybody regardless of their struggle are good people.

A gitte voch. read what you guys/GYE's are writing here.

some points remained unclear.
can you explain the following controdiction?



and one more thing.
you say:

And as I understand you're sad that people have prejudices (i hope thats how you write it..)against pedophiles.

what about the following:
What if your beloved son, who seems so perfect, one day came home and told you he was RAPED BY a pedophile?

i think people concentrate more on the 2nd question. can we blame them? us?

but what i did not understand mostly is, which kinda help do you want?
rT. tis'chazek

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RT wrote on 02 Dec 2012 12:59:


You can do both. You can go to war with people without hating them, and also wish that you could help them. Think the firebombing of Dresden and the Marshall Plan. The problem is the sinas chinam. That's extra hatred that the person did not earn for himself. It's a "gift" from us. And the self-directed sinas chinam is the very source of the addictive behavior, as well as depression and gaavah, it's the abyss we imagine to be under the wire over which we are walking (see the picture at the top left.) We imagine that abyss to be a lot bigger than it is. We hate ourselves and others way more for following certain desires than Hashem does. We even hate ourselves for having the desires, for which Hashem hates us not at all. He knows exactly how much hatred is warranted, bu we don't, so hating carefully is a very rational behavior to have.

What wrote on 02 Dec 2012 15:25:


Chaver, I do not see a place where you actually answered his question. But that's not my interest here, this is:

I just want to point out that Bill and Dr Bob got well and helped understanding and acceptance of alcoholics the world over, by doing two things: They got well and then they shared it with other suffering alkies. Ster that, they just kept at it and allowed G-d to run the show. And run it, He did!

They never bothered embarking on a campaign to increase society's acceptance of (recovering) alcoholics. In fact, when they went to the Rockefellers for money early on in the 30's and presented their history and success to them to try to get money to fund outreach....Mr Rockefeller himself stumbled on what was to become the 7th tradition of AA: that AA aught only be supported by its members, so that no outside influence ever be brought to bear on it. He refused to donate, saying that if they could not support themselves, then they did not ddeserve any donations, anyhow!

In the same vein, Bill and Dr Bob recognized that the only thing that might get society to ever accept alkies would be lots and lots of sober alkies functioning in the real world and doing well, be"H.

Let it go for now, chaver. It's OK not to be accepted, for now. Your own stigma is going to be the first thing to be lifted from you, by your living clean for a few years, with Hashem's sweet, free help. After you are convinced that you are worthwhile, others pedophiles will, too - and they will recover. And eventually you will make an impact.

Not your way - but on G-d's schedule.

Hatzlocha chabibi!

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Okay I was misunderstood like always.

I did not ask any questions... (be me'ayin and you will see!)
I just wanted to say, that it is very understandable that people think what they think.
and chalila I did not intended that anybody feels frustrated.
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and by the way... try to answer the question! (which I never asked but which exists and which i did write...)