Does anybody know if your allowed to wear cloths which got sz on them? I heard you just can't daven in them, can anyone give me a mekor for this?

Dear Kollel Guy,

If it's dry, I don't believe it's a problem even to Daven in them.

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ושכבת זרע דינו כצואה

The Mishnah Berurah explains -

דינו כצואה - ר"ל (יג) ע"כ יש להחמיר בה כשהיא על בשרו אף שהיא מכוסה כמו בצואה וכנ"ל אבל כשהיא על בגדיו ומכוסה שרי לכו"ע וכנ"ל בצואה (יד) וי"א דאינו כצואה (טו) מיהו בס"ח סימן תק"ט מוכח דאפילו על בגדיו ומכוסה יש לרחצו או לפשטו שלא יהיה דבוק בו הטומאה ומכ"ש כשנכשל ח"ו ע"י קרי שלא יהיה לו למזכרת איסור:

But it seems the diyun is only on Tefillah, even if it came intentionally. See the mogen avraham the pri megedim for more info.

PS: I am not a Rav.

Dont have any access to seforim at the moment, but kanesher, are you sure the halacha you just quoted is even when dry? Or is it like kedusha said that dry there is no problem (Which is also my recollection).

Thanks for stopping by Rage.

This thread is titled Bais Hamedrash for a reason.

Shulchan Aruch & Mishna Berura seem to feel the halacha relevant?

I believe Kanesher already pointed out that the halacha does not pertain to wearing clothes rather to tefilla or as you say krias Shema.

Your psak is noted.

Kollel Guy,

Don't mind Rage - this is his way of welcoming you!  

Rage! I'm in 100% agreement with you - the first priority in certainly the addiction; I was quoting an answer to a question. All I mean to say is that I don't think it's talking about wearing! As far a being dry, I don't know, because the Sefer Chassidim says you shouldn
't treat it like tzo'ah, but he says to wash them, and I imagine that some dry zerah would remain. But that's conjecture. But the entire discussion is only about krias shema; not about wearing clothing, hence I imagine that it's not a problem.

But the rage man is right. If you are a fellow addict, your first address is the handbooks, not the mishnah berurah.

I personally had extensively halachic Shimush in Rage's Beis Din and pretty much everyone was chayav misah...hence, who I am to argue with his psakim?

rage im very suprised. I think thats the first time you misquoted. Its with pringles and it goes .once you pop you cant stop. Oh i guess rage isnt an angel afterall.

Wow guys! Thanks for the welcome....
Actually, the reason i'm on this site is bec. i want to correct the problem which is - yes, far more important than these halachos. However, the one thing i managed to keep strong in my mindset, is that doing an aveirah doesn't mean your mitzvos don't count anymore, or that you can be more relaxed with the things which you ARE strong with. And I refuse to allow myself to believe that because i have this problem, i can't REALLY care about h"kb or what he says. Therefore i won't refrain from doing my best in all areas where it's possible.
You (rage) did get me thinking however, about where the focus should be concentrated, so thank you for that.

It's actually from Lays Potato chips:

"You can't only eat just one!"

Some of us old fogeys can remember when things first started...

Kollel Guy,

WELCOME!!

Please take time to look over all the goodies this site has to offer, some of which which Kedusha linked in his intro pkg to you.

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This site is your life raft. It's the only place on the planet for frum people to break free from this addiction.

Hang with us, and enjoy the ride.

Steve.

Welcome welcome. I guess i wont be the only kollel guy anymore. Check this site out. Its got lots to offer. Im sure kedusha or Guard will be here soon with your welcoming package. In the meantime Chazak V'ematz.

imtrying25 wrote on 08 Dec 2009 23:23:


Actually, Guard authorized anyone to do the welcome. rehab-my-site.com/guardureyes/forum/index.php?topic=1135.0

But, you're right - I did it this time.  rehab-my-site.com/guardureyes/forum/index.php?topic=1336.0